Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Navy87Guy, Sep 10, 2020.
Then that's the one you should use.
I have been a huge fan of 30-30 carbines ever since 1970. Majority were one shot kills. My longest shot was about 150 yards during a hunt in western South Dakota.
Just remember to keep your scope on the lowest power when your hunting up close. My first see season I didn't know that missed a chance at a deer because I had it set in 9x.
My choices take into the amount of muzzle blast if all cartridges can get the job done.
Really? That's odd as I find that the 150 grain .30-30 is rated at 2390 fps, while the 7.62x39mm with a 154 grain soft point hunting bullet is at 2109 fps.
Interesting, as I've found with a great many deer that I've shot that two holes = 2X the chance of collapsing both lungs in an immediate manner, and lots more blood trail, though when the lungs collapse the trail is very short.
This is quite correct. The OP has not mentioned what type of bullet is being used, but at that range and those speeds most of the factory loads should open well.
Spend some time at the range and be sure your first shot is going to do what you want. Don't count on making a rapid "follow-up" shot. I've seen too many fellows in the field turning ammunition into noise trying to hit the deer they barely scratched or merely scared, and are trying to hit the animal with the second or more shots, since they spent no time getting to know their rifle. I've also seen fellows with older rifles having a beat-up outward appearance that are mechanically well maintained and the hunter is well acquainted with how it shoots, and with iron sights at 100 yards or less, they put venison into the pot each and every year.
@Bfh_auto Was that because you were searching with the scope and missed it with the narrow FOV...or did the higher power cause you to miss??
Field of view was about 1 foot. LoL
Overkill? No way to kill something more than dead. Meat loss will be from poor shot placement and not because of any of the calibers you have listed.
I have used all three and each works fine at 50 yards or less with good soft point expanding bullets. I would choose the .308 as first choice as it is more powerful and likely to kill quicker and leave a bigger blood trail as well as not being as range critical. The 30-30 would be next due to better penetration and more energy. The 7.62x 39 is about the same velocity as the 30-30 but less energy and penetration due to lighter weight. That said, with proper placement each would work well. Accuracy matters as well as being comfortable with what you shoot. Enjoy.
Military rounds being full metal jacket are not suitable for hunting. Only soft point expanding bullets are legal here and are the only ethical choice.
I’m using SP ammo for hunting. The FMJ is just for practice.
Except for all lead bullets like a round nosed gas check, or a patched round ball...,
Or Hollow Point rifle bullets.
You are correct. I should have been more succinct, my comment was made on my own personal reloads with heavier bullets and velocities not exceeding 1900 fps. At 50 yards it really does not matter.
Hollow points are not legal here and may not be big game bullets. Your state may vary. Lead bullets are in effect soft points because the soft point is usually exposed lead for instance shotgun slugs are legal.. I hope that helps you understand that soft points are the only ethical choice.
You've got to be bloody joking... What raving lunatic in the game and fish office came up with that wee bit 'a madness? Whoever it was never saw what a 150 grain hollow point out of an '06 does to a deer's front shoulders. Shot a lot of critters with hollow point bullets in my time. "Inadequate" is the last word I'd use to describe their performance.
I'll point out that by that wording, poly tips are also out, and no lead free options would work. I'd propose that the word ethical may not be accurate, legal sure, but I'll dispute that a hpbt gameking or poly tipped hps (btips), bonded, and monometal offerings (of appropriate weight to provide proper penetration and expansion) are far from unethical.
OH I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AND IS NOT AN ETHICAL CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO DEER PROJECTILES
You wrote an inaccurate, blanket statement concerning the bullets for an ethical harvest of a deer, and in shooting vernacular, a "soft point bullet" are these because the outside of the body of the bullet is harder than the lead tip of the bullet:
See how simple that is to understand, and why the above pair are what is meant when you use the term?
I pointed out that all lead rifle bullets are ethical, which in shooting vernacular are these, and they are NOT "soft tipped" bullets because the entire bullet is "soft" compared to the bullets that are called soft tipped:
and I pointed out that muzzleloader bullets ethical, (and they are also not "soft tipped", and a round ball is soft and doesn't have a "tip") and they are these:
NOW YOU claim you meant all of the above when you wrote "soft tipped"..., and not just the first pair. While yes they are not as "hard" as a full metal jacket bullet, nor as hard a soft tipped bullet, they are not referred to as such by anybody, except perhaps you.
I hope this helps YOU to better fully understand shooting vernacular now and in the future. Here endeth the lesson
I would be curious where "here" is?
Lot of hunting regulations here in various states of the US forbid the use of FMJ for hunting (especially for big game hunting) but I have never run into regulations forbidding the use of hollow point ammunition for hunting. Nearly all the deer I have shot have been shot with some type of hollow point bullet. There are some hollow point bullets that are not designed for big game (these tend to be lighter, smaller caliber, bullets design to fragment and for use in varmint hunting) but there is a huge selection of hollow point bullet that are specifically designed for big game.
My mistake, soft point or expanding type bullets. I always thought hollowpoints were for varmints as they expand quicker. A person must make sure they are big game and not varmint bullets.
I wonder where that leaves monolithic bullets like Barnes or GMX? They expand and are mandatory in the socialist states.
I was mistaken,, the rule states soft point or expanding type bullet. Also states it must be a big game bullet.
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