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Who has once fired, primed, .223 brass?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Clark, Jan 19, 2006.

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  1. Clark

    Clark Member

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    I WOULD get it from scharch, but they are out for the next two months.
     
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    e-bay has tons of brass. Don't know about primed

    Wild curosity. Why would you buy brass to reload and not prime it yourself?

    Inquiring minds want to know
     
  3. AFhack

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    While I've never ordered it myself, I think mail ordered primed brass bypasses some of the hazmat shipping fees of buying primers mail order.

    Just my .02 worth
     
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    Supposedly River Valley Ord. Works is back up and running. www.rvow.com Their website does not reflect this, but several posters say to call. The process your brass and reprime, or you can buy their brass primed.
    Might be one other vendor, too? Think name starts with a S?
     
  5. Clark

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    Someone at the gunshow just sold me 65 pounds of once fired .223 for $65.
    [one case/ 97.5 gr] x [7000 gr/ #] x [65#] = 4,6666 cases.
    $65/ 4,666 cases = 1.4 cents / case

    Fired brass .001" run out
    20 seconds; deprime, clean pocket primer, and clean neck w/steel wool
    10 seconds; lube and resize with .245" bushing
    5 seconds; prime
    12 seconds; trim w/ Wilson trimmer
    12 seconds; chamfer w/Wilson
    15 seconds; charge and seat with Forster die
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    74 seconds / round

    74 seconds x 4,666 cases = 345,284 seconds = 5754 minutes = 95.9 hours = 2.4 work weeks.

    Cost to hire an engineer: $75/ hour
    95.4 hours = $7,155
    The cost of new primed .223 brass $372.19/2000
    Cost of 4,666 of 4,666 primed cases = [4666/2000] [$372.19] = $868/4,666 primed cases

    It seems that processing the brass is going to save me 868 - 65 / 95.6 = $8.40/ hour

    Maybe could load ammo while watching TV.
     
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    Scharch?

    ETA: Duh, that's what I get for reading too fast.
     
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    don't forget henry!


    www.swartout.com

    although I don't see any primed brass there.
     
  8. Clark

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    I love Scharch, but their priming machine is down, and she says they are not fixing it until after the shot show in two months.

    But in two months, I am going to leave to shoot thousands of ground squirells.
     
  9. YellowLab

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    "20 seconds; deprime, clean pocket primer, and clean neck w/steel wool"

    Who cares about cleaning the primer pocket? Who uses steel wool? Correct action: toss into tumbler w/walnut for about an hour or two, no interaction other than loading unloading:

    Me:2min per 250 cases (handeling).
    You: Over 82 min for 250 cases. (250*20)/60

    10 seconds; lube and resize with .245" bushing
    Spray lube (aersol/mister) 250 cases, let dry for approx 1 min.
    Me: 1 minute of interaction
    You: 41 minutes

    prime
    Me: Done on press, 3 seconds to pull handle
    You: 20min 5 seconds

    Trim/chamfer 250 cases
    Me: 33 minutes 5 seconds with cutter in drill, 3 sec/chamfer
    You: 100 minutes 24(?!?) seconds to trim/chamfer

    charge and seat with Forster die
    Me: 12min done in press, maybe 3 seconds to pull handle
    You: 62min 15 seconds; charge and seat with Forster die

    For 250 rounds:
    You 305 minutes with whatever slow process you are using.
    Me 48 minutes with a progressive press and eliminating obviously unneeded steps, and automating the process.

    I generally can rip off 4-500 rounds but you decided the need to trim/chamfer each case. I will use a case gauge and only trim the ones that are over length. Thats maybe 1 in 10 on a bad day.
     
  10. Clark

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    YellowLab,
    Thank you for that post.
    It was a wake up call for me.
    I was trimming to 1.750", becuase of what a load book said.
    Now that I read your post and read the SAAMI specs on the chamber, I see the chamber minimum is 1.772".
    Andy you are right, 9 of 10 are about 1.760", and should not need trimming.
    Clark
     
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