Who makes new Top-Break revolvers?

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"Modern" topbreak

American Handgunner had an Cover article(and photo) on custom made one a few years back the starting gun was an enfirld *Mark II Da 38 S&W which was customized extemsively into a carry gun. chrome finish and everything.
The idea was neat but really it didnt give you anything you could not have gotten cheaper and better made in a 2.5" model 19. JMHO
Jim L
 
It's Alive, Igor! It's alive!

Any New thoughts on this topic? I'm still tempted but $800 bucks for a .38 is a bit much for my budget.
 
Beretta announced at the 2005 SHOT show that they were going to reproduce the old S&W Model 3. They call it the Laramie.

Hopefully they will produce it to the later Frontier specifications. The Frontier Model 3 has a slightly longer frame and cylinder from the original model so it could be chambered for .38WCF and .44WCF.

However, I suspect Beretta will initally release it in .45 Colt, a caliber never offered by S&W in any hinged frame model.

Since they are also going to produce the Ligntning rifle and carbine it looks like Beretta is taking Cowboy Action Shooting seriously.
 
I hate to admit it, but I've always had a strange fascination with top-break revolvers. I've owned several, with varying degrees of disappointment over the years.

Four Webleys, an Enfield, a couple of H&R 999s, a 925, several S&W pocket guns and copies in from near-new to junk condition, a Navy Arms in .45 Colt, and a Performance Center-made S&W #3 Schofield.

Besides the various Italian Schofield and Russian replicas, the only example being made currently that I can think of is the 999.

My experiences have pretty much been in line with what's already been said. Converted .455 Webleys are only middlin' accurate at best, and use with .45 ACP hardball will loosen them up in fairly short order. The DAO Enfield has to have the worst trigger pull ever. The .380/200 (.38 S&W) Webleys are fun, but US factory loads will print so low that you might have to use two targets to keep them on paper. Or file the front sight down to a nub. Some of the little pocket guns will surprise you, but many of them are only safe to shoot with mild BP loads. Some of the Spanish, Belgian, and even American copies of the little Smiths probably shouldn't be fired at all, even in pristine shape.

The Uberti-made #3s are a hoot, but I'd stick to "Cowboy" loads in either .45 Colt or S&W. The Russian looks strange, but is capable of superb accuracy with the right load. H&R 999s with either 4 or 6" barrels make great utility/knock-around guns. Can be pretty accurate with ammo they like, but won't scare any K-22s or Rugers. The single-shot target pistols H&R made 'way back then are another thing altogether, but expensive and hard to find.

If you want a top-break primarily for nostalgia and fun, I'd go with a 999. Cheap to buy, lots of nice used ones even cheaper, cheap to shoot and hard to break or wear out. A Navy in .38 Spl. should be fun and quite safe with standard pressure loads. Might even surprise you with its accuracy with the right ammo. Expensive, but about the only CF made in any caliber. If you want a Webley, I'd look for a nice Mk. VI in .380/200. Lots of them still around so a good one won't bust your wallet.
 
I'd buy one.

The automatic ejection and dramatically exposed cylinder face would really speed up reloads and the cool factor is way up there.

I agree that it's probably not practical to talk about a ..454 Casull top break, but I see no reason that, with modern manufacturing and metallurgy, a .38 special+P top break couldn't be made to be as durable as a swing-out revolver.

It's also worth remembering that most gun owners don't look at a gun and wonder how it's going to hold up to 10,000 rounds.
 
Ditto, John. With the proviso that they can bring it in for something less than a mortgage payment. It would help my rationalization process if it weighed something under 3# loaded, too.

IIRC, somebody made a prototype for a modern top-break with an ambidextrous stirrup latch that was supposed to be magnum-capable about twenty-five years ago. I remember seeing a couple of write-ups and some pictures in magazines c. mid-1970's/early '80's. Obviously, it never got anyone interested enough to finance manufacture. Whether that was due to some function/durability problem that showed up with the design or just not enough of a perceived market to be profitable, I don't know.

At least some part of my own interest in them has to stem from the fact that, as a southpaw, it's just as fast and convenient for me to use as it is for a RHder with a conventional swing-out revolver. I don't have to switch my grip to my 'weak' hand and back or be a contortionist when ejecting/reloading.
 
I hate to burst your bubble but they stopped making the 999 in 1998.

And the cheapest I have seen one go for in the past few years is $250.

Very few were produced those last few years and Marlin has firmly stated that they will NOT be prodicing ANY handguns.

I absolutely love the 6" 999. It is my all time favorite plinking revolver. The only real detriment to accuracy is their horrid trigger pull and often loose sights. In single action, a 999 with a good bore, can be almost as accurate as a Ruger Single-Six.
 
And to add insult to injury...

or is that ignorance to stupidity?


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Ain't it amazing what happens when you combine a single digit IQ and a Flayderman's?


H & R commemorative sportsman model 999 No Reser

Current Bid $100.00 Reserve Not Met
Started at $0.01
Buy it Now for $950.00 <<<<<<<< :what:

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Time left 5 Days, 3 Hours +
15 minute rule Location PARADISE, CA 95969
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Started 3/18/2005 7:00:09 PM ET (This is a 7 day auction)
Ends On or After 3/25/2005 7:00:09 PM ET (Official Auction Time)

Seller bzr45 A(120)

ommemorative H R Sportsman Model 999 (9) shots 22 L. S/N # am19062 gun is in very good condition barrel is clean and shiny comes as seen in the photos We are a pawnshop so all guns should be cleaned and checked out by a licensed gunsmith before using we try to describe the condition as accurately as possible. WE ONLY SHIPPED TO SIGNED INK FFL'S. Guns only ship when signed ink ffl gets to us. If you have any problems or questions please call eric or brian at 530-872-2956 m-f 9:30-5:00. Flat shipping fee of $20 for long guns, $30 for pistols to the lower 48. (((PLEASE NOTE WE DO NOT SHIP TO P.O. BOXES ))))))). We only ship inside the US . We use UPS ground insured! We accept Paypal, money order, and personal checks. GOOD LUCK BIDDING PAYMENT MUST BE MADE WITHIN 7 DAYS OF AUCTION CLOSE OR DON'T BID. BUYER PAYS SHIPPING. NO REFUNDS ON SHIPPING. MONEY ORDERS AND PAYPAL SHIP IMMEDIATELY, ALL OTHERS WHEN THEY CLEAR. WE DO NOT ANSWER EMAILS AFTER 5:00 PM FRIDAY

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Well... Uberti is calling them Number 3s but they're really just a lengthened Schofield.
And while the Scofield was technically a Number 3 it was too short to chamber anything longer than .45S&W and had a totally different barrel latch system and grip frame.

Only the Uberti Number 3 Russian is actually a real Number 3.


The Beretta Laramie will be a real Model 3. I only hope they make it just like the actual S&W New Model Number 3 Frontier.
 
"Pop!" Somehow missed that NEF had gone under. RIP. If, as you say, its assets were sold to Marlin I suppose that the SS rifles, shotguns and combo packages will be the only survivors. Unless Taurus/Rossi finishes them off.

FWIW, I see 999's at shows and shops around here all the time going begging for $175 in VG or better condition. They might ask $200-225 for a minty one with the box et al. A dealer at the "1500" had a 925 in EX condition at $185. No takers as of 4 PM Sunday. IMO, they're out there, and still worth looking for.

When I was a kid, my stepmother's father had a pre-999 "Sportsman" that lived on a nail in the feed storage room of his barn. It was loaded with crimped 'rat shot' and HP shorts and I doubt that it ever got more than a quick wipe with an oily rag in the course of a year. It looked like a relic from some archeological site, but it went 'bang' whenever asked and accounted for bushels of marauding rats, mice, pigeons and starlings. The first 'real' handgun I was ever allowed to fire. Probably why I've got a 4 and a 6" in my safe even though they seldom see daylight :eek:
 
H&R1871 Corp/New England Firearms Inc. didn't really go under. They were just bought out by Marlin.
Marlin was looking for a line of shotguns with name recognition.
Of course, now all of the NEF line is made in China.


I haven't seen a VG 6" 999 around here for less than $250.
I paid $100 for an EX one over ten years ago in Kentucky and thought it was a high price then. I guess I should have kept it.
 
Made in China?!! Sheesh! Kinduva sad commentary on our vanishing industrial base, isn't it?

IMO, a big part of why H&Rs and Iver Johnsons don't bring prices more in line with their actual quality and usefullness around here is that they seem to be perceived by many as being arms for people who couldn't afford anything better, rather than as having been the Rugers of their time.

They were designed and marketed to be working tools for folks who needed to get the most in terms of utility and reliable function for their hard-earned dollar. Simple, robust machines, arguably 'overbuilt', that were well-made of high quality materials and able to deliver good service despite hard use or less-than-optimal maintenance. Something that you could forget about until you needed to use it. Hang it on a nail, throw it in the tackle box, bang it around on the tractor or just leave it in your bureau drawer for years and be pretty damn certain that it'll work when you need it.

It's a pity, but to a lot of folks they're lumped into the same catagory as the Belgian and Spanish S&W copies, the so-called "Suicide Specials", and dismissed as being 'weak' or 'cheap' - unsuited for 'real' uses just on account of their top-break design.

On the plus side, it keeps them affordable for those of us who know better.
 
i have an H&r "sportsman"

I need to find someone who can work on it and get it into good shape. it's in fireing shape now, but there is some play in the cylinder. i want to get it fixed and refinished. it's a pre WWII firearm and i love it. i've always liked the break top designs. it's sad to get one in this day and age in a larger caliber your going to pay upward of 800$.

if yall know someone who can get my sportsman back to good condition let me know.
 
Ya know mrwiggens, seein' as this thread is dang old, you might have a better chance for a response by posting your inquiry as a new post.
Best,
Jim
 
Hugo said:
Anyone have a Navy Arms Top Break Revolver?
I'm tempted to get a .38 special one but want to know if it's a good, reliable pistol. They are a bit pricy but quite unique as it seems nobody else makes a new top break revolver these days. Any reviews?
I have not shot a Navy Arms model, but did handle one at a gun show and was impressed with it. I believe they have a very good reputation. Like you, I believed that .38 Special is the most desirable caliber (unless you were only interested in historical authenticity). The only thing I didn't like about the Navy Arms was the very long, front-heavy barrel. What I ended up buying was a Uberti replica of the 1875 Schofield Wells Fargo model. This is a .38 Special with a 5" barrel, for which I paid $730 a few months ago. At the range I was a bit disappointed with the accuracy, since I had to use some "Kentucky windage" to hit the target using the fixed sights. In hindsight I should have delayed my purchase, because now Beretta is offering their Laramie model, which has adjustable sights. None of these alternatives come cheap, of course, because there isn't much of a market for top-break.
 
If a 12ga can be made to top eject, I'm sure a revolver can. The problem is making it small enough to be usefull. I bet it can be done though, if some company wanted to bad enough.
 
Merwin & Hulberts aren't break tops. They actually unlatch the barrel assembly, which moves forward far enough to allow the spent cartriges to fall out, leaving the unexpended cartriges in the cylinder. Then you reload using a "loading gate" on the right side of the frame.
 
Possibley the weirdest top break in current production is a Webley pocket model copy in .32 S&W which is being manufactured in India. I would love to have a modern design top break in a potent caliber or a rplica MkVI.

GARY
 
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