Who wants H&K to bring back the P7?

[giggitygiggity]

Who wants H&K to bring back the P7? I certainly would! I think they would sell like hotcakes so long as they can keep them under $1200.

Do you think they stopped making them because of cost or did people lose interest or was there another reason? To me, it does not seem like it would cost anything more to make a P7 than it would a 1911, especially with today's CNC machines and whatnot.

Perhaps if we can generate enough buzz on the forums, someone at H&K will pay attention or maybe another company will gain the rights to copy the design.

 

[ttarp]

I'd love them to bring it back, but most people would just see a heavy, low capacity pistol the same size as a block 19 that has to be cleaned regularly to maintain function. Not to mention the fact that lots of folks are too weirded out by the cocking lever, and don't realize it doesn't require a death grip to keep squeezed.

People have brought the same topic up on the Hk forums for a while now, I don't think Hk is going to bother to even give it a thought.

That mess of springs and levers inside make it a bit more complicated than a 1911

 

[Rock185]

giggity, Much as I Like the P7 series, owned more than one, I don't think it would be competitive in today's market, even at $1200.00 or less. Too many other much cheaper, lighter, higher capacity polymer options available now days. In an apparent race to the bottom, low price seems to trump all else with many, or most, buyers. I still have my P7M8, purchased new back in the '80s, and have no urge to rid myself of it, even though it may be too heavy and low capacity by today's standards.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I certainly would.

SIG has the new P210 out and people are snatching those. I seriously think they would sell P7s even at $1200, maybe even more. HK guys are no strangers to spending a lot of money. Hell even the Mk 23 is still in production and people are buying those at 2 grand a pop.

 

[JohnBiltz]

They stopped making them because they could not sell them at the price they needed to be sold at. Nothing about that has changed since then. If anything its gotten worse. As I remember it a Glock was selling for about $300 to $350. Sig 226s and Berettas were selling for about $200 more than that and the P7s were about as much more expensive above the Sigs as the Sigs were above a Glock. Now there is simply much more competition than there was then.

 

[usp9]

Won't happen. HK has gone polymer, which is the future of handguns. Besides that, the people that made the P7 series are probably mostly all retired by now. Tooling and training would cost too much. Wouldn't mind seeing a small, thin carry gun in the HK line-up though.

 

[kozak6]

I don't really care since I won't be able to afford it.

 

[JDR]

Smith & Wesson dropped the 3rd Gen guns, Browning / FNH dropped the Hi Power, Colt dropped the Python, and folks are saying if they brought them all back they’ll sell the reissues like hotcakes. If the re-release of the SIG P225-A1 is any indication then this is a bad idea, I only see these in the local Cabela’s Gun Library.

 

[Odd Job]

The P7M13 is one of the guns on my bucket list to shoot.
I had an opportunity to buy one in South Africa back in the 90s but it would have cost more than two months' wages. All I could afford was a Vektor CP1 which was a third of the price.

 

[Morgo]

I'd like it to happen but realistically there's not a snowball's chance in hell of HK doing it.

 

[Charlie98]

+37

Not marketable in today's market. It's a shame, but few people appreciate a slim 9mm. You could probably argue something at a $500 price point, but that won't happen with the P7. I've always wanted one, almost bought one of the police demills some years ago, but they were axing $800 for them back then.

 

[wojownik]

I think it is a magnificent pistol, but I don't see how they could do it at a price point that would not be astronomical.

 

[Telekinesis]

The P7 is one of my grail guns - I absolutely love the design and feel of it, and I consider myself lucky to have been able to snag a P7 M8 a few years ago. I would love for them to bring the gun back into production.

That said, it is highly unlikely that it would be marketable today. To be honest it is big and heavy compared to other single stack 9mm guns like the Shield and G43, and when compared to guns it's size (like a Glock 19) it is severely limited in capacity. There might be a small number of people who would buy them just because it's a P7, but I doubt it would be enough to cover all the costs.

 

[scaatylobo]

Who wants H&K to bring back the P7? I certainly would! I think they would sell like hotcakes so long as they can keep them under $1200.

Do you think they stopped making them because of cost or did people lose interest or was there another reason? To me, it does not seem like it would cost anything more to make a P7 than it would a 1911, especially with today's CNC machines and whatnot.

Perhaps if we can generate enough buzz on the forums, someone at H&K will pay attention or maybe another company will gain the rights to copy the design.

I vote HELL NO.

Got to shoot one when they first came out as a fellow LEO bought one.

One of THE WORST handguns I have ever fired,much too hard to hold the 'safety' and fire and not a gun I would have carried even if given it free.

Too each their own,you like um them good on ya.

 

[George P]

I have a few; and yes it would be nice to see them again; but it would be great even if they only brought the magazines back into production! If I could get a few more so I had 4 or so, I'd make that my carry gun and get rid of the rest of my 9mms. They are perfect for the LH shooter, accurate as all get-out; have enough mass for recoil handling, and just look cool!

 

[mgmorden]

I'd like one, and I'm sure many others here would too, but remember this is a forum for enthusiasts and the P7 is definitely an enthusiast gun. The thing is, that type of market appeal can't be the sole thing driving sales for a gun to succeed.

Right now the public is buying polymer wonder 9's and 1911's. Anything not in that category is fighting pretty hard to appeal to a much smaller market segment.

Heck Browning just discontinued the Hi Power due to lack of sales and that gun is pretty much iconic.

 

[FL-NC]

I had a M8 years ago that was my CCW. I like it- its a great pistol for speed in presentation, with a nice trigger- also very thin for concealment. I sold it in a gross error of judgement. The thing is, I personally don't carry or keep for HD guns that cost over $500. If I still had it, it would be a safe queen.

 

[ATLDave]

I'd like one, and I'm sure many others here would too, but remember this is a forum for enthusiasts and the P7 is definitely an enthusiast gun. The thing is, that type of market appeal can't be the sole thing driving sales for a gun to succeed.

Oh, it absolutely can be, but the expectations as to scale are quite different. Every IPSC Open gun is an enthusiast gun; there are virtually no casual/mass market consumers of those. There are a number of companies that make those kinds of guns. They're not all "failing." SVI is not wondering when their big breakthrough into a DoD contract will finally come. CZ is not counting on the Checkmate to hit their enterprise-wide quarterly goals. Whether an enthusiast's gun can "succeed" depends entirely on the definition of success.

 

[Nuclear]

Expensive, enthusiast guns absolutely sell. Look at Wilson Combat's X9 - sold out for months ahead of production, has been since it came out.

I'd love HK (or someone else) to bring out the P7 again. Sure, it is lower capacity than a double stack, but so are ALL single stack guns. It is a little heavy, but that helps soak up the recoil. Besides, you could always machine it out of aluminum. The mechanism is...a little complicated. Maybe some better engineering on moving the heat away from the trigger guard area would be in order. I really don't get the whole "its too hard to figure out how to shoot" thing. You grip the gun to cock it, with a grip like you are going to shoot the gun anyway, then it takes what, a couple of pounds of force to keep it depressed. No additional safeties, slide stops, things on the trigger, nothing.

If they brought them out at a reasonable price, I'd buy another (I bought one of the German police imports a few years back).

 

[Rock185]

I don't know, but I've heard for years about how hard it is to depress and hold the squeeze cocker on these pistols, how the P7's manual of arms is so different and difficult to deal with. I'm just an average guy, without any super human grip strength, and I've found that a normal firing grip easily depresses and holds the squeeze cocker. Feels like maybe a couple pounds of pressure is required to hold the cocking lever once depressed. Then a decent, service grade, SA trigger pull. Just doesn't seem that complicated or difficult........

 

[Old Dog]

Count me firmly in the "no" corner as I'm one who never bought into the P7's cult mystique. Frankly, its quirky manual of arms never appealed to me and I intensely dislike shooting firearms with totally dissimilar operating systems than those I shoot the most. I don't regard the P7 as an "enthusiast's gun," I regard it as a "cult gun." I'd be interested to know just how many people who carry guns daily, 24/7, in serious places still pack a P7 -- doubt there's very many.

If the re-release of the SIG P225-A1 is any indication then this is a bad idea, I only see these in the local Cabela’s Gun Library.

Strange, I know an awful lot of folks who love the new P-225s, and if you check out the SIG forums, it's got quite an enthusiastic following ... For a more compact, single-stack 9mm with a simple manual of arms, I'd carry my P-225A1 over the HK any day ...

 

[sigarms228]

Never will happen. I like my HKs but have no interest in a P7. LGS had some about 5-6 years ago and I handled and dry fired one and was not interested.

 

[George P]

I don't know, but I've heard for years about how hard it is to depress and hold the squeeze cocker on these pistols, how the P7's manual of arms is so different and difficult to deal with. I'm just an average guy, without any super human grip strength, and I've found that a normal firing grip easily depresses and holds the squeeze cocker. Feels like maybe a couple pounds of pressure is required to hold the cocking lever once depressed. Then a decent, service grade, SA trigger pull. Just doesn't seem that complicated or difficult........

Not hard at all, and once done, it takes less than 2# to keep it depressed. The triggers on mine have no creep, light crisp pulls and are as accurate as anything short of a comp 1911.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Smith & Wesson dropped the 3rd Gen guns, Browning / FNH dropped the Hi Power, Colt dropped the Python, and folks are saying if they brought them all back they’ll sell the reissues like hotcakes. If the re-release of the SIG P225-A1 is any indication then this is a bad idea, I only see these in the local Cabela’s Gun Library.

The M92 Beretta has maybe 3 years left......

 

[cslinger]

I can keep the grip safety depressed with my pinky????? Literally.

I dig the P7. It could never compete today.

My take is it is probably the finest combination of safety, trigger, speed, acccuracy and reliability ever put into a single package. Of course that comes at a cost of complexity and dollars.