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Who's the Honda/Subaru of the AR-lower world?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by yhtomit, Feb 12, 2008.

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  1. yhtomit

    yhtomit Member

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    Interesting thread going on right now, "Why Buy Multiple AR Lowers?"
    http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=338976

    This has me thinking: If I were to buy the logic that buying (and at least temporarily assembling into complete rifles) a few AR lowers now might prove legally useful, what are some good bets to seek out? That is, what are the Honda or Subaru of the AR world? Or (inviting wrath) the Hyundai?

    That is to say, if inexpensive was very important, but you didn't want plain "cheap," reliability beats looks / nameplates / fancy bits, and you'd like it to still function fine in 20 years with minimal maintenance, what sort of AR lower would you go for? I'd like to have a few around -- if nothing else, I'd like to shoot my Saiga side-by-side with my own AR at some point.

    I know, I know: "You get what you pay for." But that doesn't mean some things don't have a seemingly unfairly good value-to-price ratio. Plenty of people complain about their expensive guns, or are impressed by the longevity of something intended as a beater. So dismissive answers implying that price = quality will be happily scoffed at ;)

    timothy
     
  2. Eightball

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    DPMS. Maybe an Oly Arms, but I wouldn't trust my hand to that company's AR lowers.
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    As a Subaru owner, I'll say this. They're great cars, but the parts are expensive as all get-out. I took our station wagon out where I'd normally want my Jeep yesterday, and Subaru's AWD system worked like a champ, even in deep, soft sand. God help you when you have to replace parts, though. Just had to put on some new front bearings and ABS sensors and we paid $1500 for the job, half of which was in the parts, I think.

    I'd say that LMT is the Subaru of AR's.
     
  4. yhtomit

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    Heh. I hear you about the cost of repairs -- I have a 1997 Outback wagon, and it's overdue for some work right now. On the other hand, it wasn't outrageous to buy (used), gets decent mileage, and even considering some necessary repairs over the several years I've owned it, it amortizes pretty well :)

    Maybe my analogy should have stuck with Honda / Toyota ;)

    timothy
     
  5. BattleChimp Potemkin

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    +1 DPMS
    Oly more like the Kia or Hyundai :)
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    Don't get me wrong, when we finally kill this one, we'll buy another used Subaru. It's a great vehicle!

    Dave Ramsey taught me to re-think the costs of owning a car, and I try to calculate overall costs vs. the utility of ownership.
     
  7. Wedge

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    So you will need something that is cheaper than the top of the line, easily modifiable, a little less in the way of creature comforts but with a few quirks (like headlights which turn off when you turn off the car) that you really come to appreciate. And the AWD, turbo goodness allows you to overlook some of the more silly design features.

    Also...ammo needs to load in from the sides, not from the bottom. Both sides.

    I love Boxers!

    And it needs to be faster than the competitors out of the box.

    I can't remember...was I describing the gun or a car?

    In any case, Subaru is hard to compare too. They are high value, niche vehicles. I guess that would be something like a sub $1000 DPMS n .260 Rem?
     
  8. Jackal

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    Honda....Subaru...(shudder) Please for the love of god dont compare the classic AR to one of the cheap yuppie rice-burners. Our soldiers dont want the impression that they're staking they're life on a Subaru:barf: Thankfully, the rifles dont smell as bad as the cars.
     
  9. GearHead_1

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    I find the choice of cars used for comparison here to be interesting. I understand the well built and reliable (though fairly pricey) Honda. Not sure how the Subaru fits in here (looking for the magazine to attach from the side, as in horizontally opposed) and as far as inexpensive, have you priced Hyundai's recently?
     
  10. RedLion

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    Just curious about the whole ban scare.

    How much of a threat is it? I know that almost every candidate has said they will bring the AWB back, but wouldn't it most likely be the same as before? Can someone fill me in to how bad it will probably be.

    thanks.
     
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    I always thought Stag was the "generic" inexpensive mil-spec lower?
     
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    Stag and Rock River are my choices, but then again, I personally hold them a little closer in respect than any car. lol
     
  13. JohnBT

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    "Honda....Subaru...(shudder) Please for the love of god dont compare the classic AR to one of the cheap yuppie rice-burners."

    That's one of the more misinformed statements I've read recently.

    More like reasonably expensive, quite reliable and very useful. You know the Forester was based on the running gear they developed running World Rally cars. The suckers will hug the road and the center of gravity isn't as high as you'd think.

    Okay, I sold my second Subaru, an '02 Forester, and I'm driving an '06 Toyota Avalon, but I sort of miss the Forester, the huge sunroof and ability to haul stuff - like 2 hot water tanks at once, or a large chest of drawers - and still get fairly good gas mileage.

    Who's the Honda/Subaru of the AR world? Any of the good makers. You know, RRA or better. ;)

    John
     
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    wat?
     
  15. RockyMtnTactical

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    Anodized forged aluminum lowers with milspec pin sizes are all about the same...
     
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    Honda/Subaru: Stag Arms, Olympic Arms
    Toyota: DPMS
    You can spend more on a Bushy, etc, but it's tough to beat the quality of a DPMS, and they're pretty reasonably priced.
     
  17. TheLaxPlayer

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    My AR, as well as my car, is American made.

    That said, most lowers are essentially the same. Vulcan / Hesse / Blackthorne are the ones to avoid but the rest will treat you just fine.

    Mine is a LMT lower, because I purchased a complete lower with their SOCOM stock, but if I were buying just a stripped lower, I'd go with whatever was on sale.
     
  18. RockyMtnTactical

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    America? Probably... USA, maybe not... You don't drive a Ford do you? Hecho en Mexico. :neener:

    FWIW, a lot of "foreign" cars are being built in the US these days...
     
  19. 10-Ring

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    I've had great luck w/ RRA, Stag, CMMG and Superior Arms. As for the analogy, I'd probably go w/ CMMG (tough to beat their consistency and fit and finish) and RRA.
     
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    Generally, lowers are all the same. And they're all within a couple bucks of each other.

    Be more concerned with the upper, as thats where the biggest difference in quality comes into play.

    My Chevy Silverado was built/assembled in Canada... and who knows where the individual components came from. Even vehicles assembled in the USA will be mostly comprised of parts from anywhere but here. Seemingly nothing is really "American made" anymore.
     
  21. GearHead_1

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    Think Eldlebrock.
     
  22. benEzra

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    It would probably look more like H.R.1022, the AWB the media and a few Congress-entities were pushing last session. It would have banned the Ruger mini-14, all AR-15 type rifles, all civilian AK's, the M1 carbine, FAL's, etc.; ALL detachable-magazine, self-loading rifles or shotguns with a protruding handgrip; all shotguns using a detachable magazine; and any semiauto rifle ever designed or procured for military use (SKS, M1 Garand, etc.) or procured for police use (Kel-Tec, Ruger PC9, etc.). Plus, of course, a ban on any firearm magazine holding over 10 rounds, except tubular magazines for .22 rimfires. If I read the law correctly, AR-15 uppers and such would be banned as well, making the "buy a bunch of stripped lowers" idea perhaps a bit risky. To avoid a civil war, currently owned guns would be grandfathered...for now.

    In a nutshell, it would take the California ban nationwide, but adding to it a ban on SKS's, Ruger mini-14's, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, M1A/M14 type rifles, and Kel-Tecs. In other words, as close as possible to the situation in Australia with regard to rifles.

    BTW, the Toyota Camry is American-made; the Ford Crown Victoria is an import...
     
  23. Urbana John

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    I've got a new Advil Arms "lower" coming this Thursday----on sale for $100 US. Free "engraving" !!! I'll let ya all know how it goes together!!
    And I can compare it to a DPMS AP4 308, a Sabre Defense 223, and a Colt HBAR in 223
    Course, I'll need my "new" DPMS Model BA-M12 upper to "top" it off!!!
    UJ
     
  24. yhtomit

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    "Advil Arms"?

    A google search doesn't help me much, and that sounds like a joke name :)

    Then again, there's BOHICA's .50 cal, so ... got a link? :)

    EDIT: Got it -- Anvil Arms. Ha!

    I just found that last year the Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association had a run made of lowers with some logo on them, or at least had planned to. (I don't see a followup, just ran into this: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/group-purchases-127/12138-ar-lower-group-buy.html

    I like the idea of an engraved lower generally.

    timothy
     
  25. ether

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    Around Christmas I needed a complete A2 lower for a build and got a DPMS because that's all that was available. The workmanship is as good as I've seen and better than most...no regrets here. It also has just about the best stock trigger pull I've felt...and it stayed good even after firing a couple of hundred rounds. The last 2 Bushmasters I bought seemed to have good triggers when I bought them, but they got "sticky" and creepy after firing...I think the parts were just soft so I replaced them with RRA 2-stagers.
     
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