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Why are Russian Nagants so damn cheap?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by McGavin, Feb 16, 2009.

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  1. McGavin

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    Are Nagants good, reliable guns? If so then why so cheap? Is it because the Russians too many and they have a fatty surplus of them?
     
  2. spyder1911

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    There were ~37 million of these made. Russia, and former Soviet countries, don't use them any more.

    So high supply keeps the price pretty low.
     
  3. TexasRifleman

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    Sooooo many of them made.

    We're talking incredible amounts. I read somewhere like 40 million were made over the years including the variants.
     
  4. WardenWolf

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    Nagant revolver or Mosin Nagant? Well, both are cheap. Because the Russians made millions of them before and during World War II. The Russian Army was second in manpower only to China, and they were almost all armed with the Mosin Nagant.
     
  5. McGavin

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    Are they good, accurate rifles?
     
  6. Tommygunn

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    They're not particularly powerful guns, but they seem to work well, and be fairly reliable.
    I bought one in 2000 for about $150.00 and it works well. The ammo for it is expensive. If you can get the .32ACP cylinder for it you can use that ammo and it won't cost so much.
    I think the Russians sent quite a number of them over here dirt cheap which means they don't cost too much.
    They're interesting guns with a unusual mechanism & round that seals the chamber so you don't lose too much velocity. The downside is the rounds are not powerful in the first place.
    I would not consider one for self defense purposes if that's what you're thinking, but just for historical interest or plinking they are very good.
     
  7. McGavin

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    Yeh that's what i'm looking for is a good, reliable rifle for self defense
     
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    I think he's referring to the rifle.

    I wouldn't reccomend the Mosin-Nagant for self-defense, because it's bolt action and fires a cartridge that is very loud and likely to go through your target and hit your neighbor's house. I would reccomend a shotgun for self-defense instead, or at least a different rifle.
     
  9. Gottahaveone

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    Well, by *that* criteria neither is the .30-06, the .308Win, the .303 British, the 8mm Mauser, and on and on. The ammo can still be had for ~$75 per 440rnd tin so that's not too bad. As for the cheapness of the rifles, that is fast becoming a thing of the past. I thought the local shop owner had lost his mind when he listed a few M44's at $349. Then I saw the 91/30's at the gun show last weekend for $239. Glad I bought my 1/2 dozen for ~$80ea......
     
  10. McGavin

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    well i have a shotgun but i want a rifle, also to just go out shooting and possibly hunting after hunters safety
     
  11. average_shooter

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    LOL, Tommygun is talking about the revolvers and Gottahaveone is talking about the rifles.

    To the OP, McGavin, you should realize that Nagant as a company produced various firearms. It was not clear in your original post whether you were referring to Nagant rifles or Nagant revolvers.

    Humorous results, though.
     
  12. McGavin

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    I was referring to their rifles
     
  13. JImbothefiveth

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    If it's a self-defense rifle, something in .7.62x39 or .223 might be a better choice
     
  14. Kurt S.

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    Are the M-N rifles good? Some of them; at the prices they go for you just get 3 or 4 of them and pick the best. Are they reliable? If the ammunition is even close to fair, they go bang every time you pull the trigger. Getting the empty out of the chamber can be another story. And as you surmised and others have stated, the Russians and others produced several dozen boatloads of them over the early-middle years of the 20th century.

    For defensive use: get the M44 carbine with bayonet and use late model brass case military surplus like Hungarian. If you don't hit them with the round, you can stick them with the integral folding bayonet. At close range you'll set their hair and clothes on fire with the muzzle flash.
     
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    Why do you say they're not powerful? They're more powerful than an SKS.
     
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    Millions of the Mosin Nagant rifle were made by and for Russia 1891 thru 1945 then they were replaced by the SKS and AK, making them surplus. Around the time of WWI, Mosin rifles were used by the US Army as training rifles and were sold off as surplus so there was a built in interest in the Mosin Nagant going back to one's great grandfather's day. Huge supply, steady demand equal low price. Econ 101.

    Mosin Nagant Rifle 7.62x54Rmm compares well to .308 and .30-06.

    Nagant revolver 7.62mm compares to the .32 S&W Long.

    Mosin rifle very strong. Nagant revolver kinda weak to those weaned on .45ACP and .357Mag.

    Mosin designed the rifle. Nagant designed the magazine system for the Mosin rifle, plus Nagant designed the revolver.
     
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    They're a good deal for the price if you like shooting old military rifles. A decent one would also make a fine hunting rifle within 200 yards or so. Past that I would use something else since mounting optics on an MN is a pain in the butt.

    For defense? Hell no. They were seriously outclassed back in WW2 and they haven't become any less obsolete since then.
     
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    i keep telling myself to buy one, but i cant see myself collecting that. if i did, I would have to add more old bolt action rifles to that category of my collection.

    and plus, anti gunners arent after those so I can always get them later.
     
  19. cbrgator

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    McGavin, the Mosin is great for hitting the range, adequate for hunting albeit not at huge distances, but not for home defense. The last thing you want for HD is a 4' long bolt action.
     
  20. Bill B.

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    That they are! The Mosin is an excellent military bolt action rifle! I guess that I would take the Enfield first, the Mauser second the 03 Springfield third and the Mosin fourth in my order of preference.
     
  21. SATX man

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    How powerful is the cartridge? Supposedly a co-worker shot one through a bullet proof plate.
     
  22. Gottahaveone

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    Oops :eek:
    I should have caught that. I will admit to reading exactly one line of the post before replying. Sorry about that.....
     
  23. BlackHand1917

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    The very fact that the Russians kept so many of them around for so long may have its origins in the terrible rifle shortages they had in World War One and to a more limited extent in World War Two. In the First World War, standard practice was to issue rifles to about 75% of the infantrymen, the other 25% were told to take their rifles from the fallen. My guess is that they already have millions of AKM's in storage now that they use the AK-74 and that new, rather odd, AN-94 rifle with the moving barrel they have recently adopted.
     
  24. cbrgator

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    It's similar in power to cartridges similar in size like 308 and 30-06... just for a relative idea.
     
  25. 351 WINCHESTER

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    I'd like to know what the Russians did with all the .351 and .401 Winchesters we sold them. I know they didn't scrap them or dump them in the ocean.
     
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