Inebriated
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More important question, would be "Why is the AR15 the "sacrificial lamb" of gun control?"
Not that we're going to sacrifice it, of course.
Not that we're going to sacrifice it, of course.
Why are shotguns the "Sacred Cow" of gun restrictions?
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What you mean you cannot hear yours singing from the corner of the room???
Am I evil? Yes I am.
Am I evil? I am man, yes I am.
So many states already have laws regulating shotguns (3 shell capitity, Tube blocks, Shotgun only hunting, etc. etc. etc.)
As for the media, Im pretty sure they have no clue there is a difference between a Siaga and an AK...
evan price
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Because going back hundreds of years, shotguns ("Fowling Pieces") were owned by the rich and upper classes. Hunting was something done by nobility.
Hop on Gunbroker and check out listings for shotguns...sort by highest price first, and surprise yourself at just how much shotguns can cost. Purdeys, Perazzis, Parkers, Piottis, Krieghoffs, Browning Superposed...easily cost what a new car would cost.
The fine old British gunmakers will sell gentleman's shooting outfits that will easily cost in excess of a modest tract home for most of us.
Do you really see the elites, the liberal nobility, banning the things they enjoy? Does anyone believe that if guns are banned and confiscated, that the global elites will see their $100,000 gold-inlayed, hand-crafted heirloom shotgun consigned to the same smelting pot as our $200 mossbergs?
No- they will do what the nobility has done traditionally- ban the guns favored by us lowly proles, so they can still be 'on the birds'.
Hop on Gunbroker and check out listings for shotguns...sort by highest price first, and surprise yourself at just how much shotguns can cost. Purdeys, Perazzis, Parkers, Piottis, Krieghoffs, Browning Superposed...easily cost what a new car would cost.
The fine old British gunmakers will sell gentleman's shooting outfits that will easily cost in excess of a modest tract home for most of us.
Do you really see the elites, the liberal nobility, banning the things they enjoy? Does anyone believe that if guns are banned and confiscated, that the global elites will see their $100,000 gold-inlayed, hand-crafted heirloom shotgun consigned to the same smelting pot as our $200 mossbergs?
No- they will do what the nobility has done traditionally- ban the guns favored by us lowly proles, so they can still be 'on the birds'.
soloban
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Being the Sacred Cow just means that it will be the last one shoved through the shoot at the slaughterhouse.
huntsman
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+1 When it comes to anti-personnel a shotgun gun is viewed a defensive firearm at best while a rifle is viewed as an offensive firearm.
bassdogs
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To each their own, since this is America after all. But that 12 + 1 is, well, pretty much an example of taking a good thing and making it completely useless. Unless you are a Paul Bunyan size dude, that thing be like raising a 4x4 fence post to shoot and would require a tennis court size space to swing. Would be an interesting wall hanger but what's with the color?
While all of these points are valid, I'm still confused as to why the gun grabbers have never gone after 'evil black shotguns'?
I mean, we all know that an 'assault weapon' is functionally no different from any other semiauto rifle, so why haven't they tried to ban, say, pistol-grip-only shotguns?
I have a Mossberg 500 with black synthetic furniture and a pistol grip, and these are featured in movies far more than even the Desert Eagle.
I'm certainly not complaining, but it does surprise me that they haven't gone after 'assault shotguns'.
I mean, we all know that an 'assault weapon' is functionally no different from any other semiauto rifle, so why haven't they tried to ban, say, pistol-grip-only shotguns?
I have a Mossberg 500 with black synthetic furniture and a pistol grip, and these are featured in movies far more than even the Desert Eagle.
I'm certainly not complaining, but it does surprise me that they haven't gone after 'assault shotguns'.
mcdonl
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Agreed... they are the carrot
huntsman
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you are confused because you come to this discussion using logic and facts where the gun grabbers use emotions and feelings that's why there's no convincing them.
Guy de Loimbard
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Sega 12 or Sega 20?
Which is exactly my point.
If we assume that they are running on emotion rather than logic, why haven't they come after our scary-looking, not-suitable-for-hunting pgo shotguns?
The people making or proposing gun legislation, know very little about guns in general. When those people thing about rifles, they think of scary "assault weapons", and want to take them. When they think about handguns, they think about Glocks with 30 round magazines hanging out of the grip. When they think about shotguns, they think about their granddaddy's double barrel or 5 round pump action shotguns. They don't think about snipers, or mass murderers.
In my opinion, that's all there is to it.
In my opinion, that's all there is to it.
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Well, that's obvious; the AR15 has closest resemblance and function to the main arm of our military, and deep down, Statists fear the citizenry having parity with the military/authorities/regime. Makes sense they'd start with the most "militia-usable" weapon (despite what the Miller ruling makes plain as day
).We've certaintly established that anti's see shotguns as inherently less threatening (i.e. versions as equally "tacticool" as AR15s/AKs aren't as vilified, even though they were present/used at the last two mass shootings), my original question was why that is the case. I think you're dead on about stereotypes:
-The Hayseed Stereotype name Jethro sitting on his front porch with his boomstick across his lap (as a threat/deterrent to hostile trespassers, btw
)-The harmless Elmer Fudd Stereotype with his SxS or SS (blasting indescriminately with his eyes closed at anything that moves, frequently himself
)-The civil Wealthy Country Club Elite Stereotype that would never deign to be involved in any sort of crime, whatsoever
Shotguns are associated with all three of these charming American stereotypes (which is weird, because they all use rifles, too
), while rifle owners are associated with:-The Dale Gribble Stereotype secretly plotting insurrection and weaving paranoid, idiotic conspiracy theories as he quietly reloads his ammo in his fallout-shelter/basement
-The Cowboy Stereotype who self-righteously crashes through town, guns blazin', wounding dozens everywhere he goes, leaving wreckage in his wake. Cowboys use shotguns, too, but lever actions seem much more affiliated with this stereotype than even SxSs do.
-The Militant/Assassin/Terrorist Stereotype which is the truly Very Scary Guy all the legislation being proposed tries in vain to thwart. The character who quietly stews in his own madness and hatred, dropping clues only visible in retrospect, before unleashing unexpected mayhem upon the vulnerable world. Completely unpredictable ahead of time, totally obvious in hindsight. So much so, that basing pre-emptive strategies on the actions of past actors seems certain to prevent another from wrecking havoc on the innocent. This stereotype is based on headlines and thriller novels; the bomb-planting insurgent, the mass-shooter, the professional assassin from the KGB. Even the Patriotic American Soldier is related to this archetype (which again, the Statists want to have nothing in common with ordinary citizens' abilities).
It seems there are fewer stereotypes for rifleman, for whatever reason, and the ones I could think up were not "good guys," aside from the soldier. Problem is, anti's invariably think of soldiers/police as being separate from civilians, and elevated above them (thus deserving of the power/authority derived from firearms possession). We need some humorous rifle shooting cartoon characters
(even I think that's something of a oxymoron, now that I think about it )TCB
Any lunatic can take out plenty 'o targets at close-medium range with a Remington 870 pump and heavy field or buck shot. For some reason they decided that ARs are special because they are based on military hardware so ignorance dictates...no demands...that responsible civilians have no business owning them.
Brilliant. A significant amount of the civilian technology we use was derived from some military contract somewhere along the way - my two favs (beside my ARs) are GPS and rapid trauma care in the field - how many lives have those two improved/saved in civilian life?. By that logic, we should take velcro away after some moron figures out how to hang himself with it...it came from NASA so…you get the idea.
Logic is the BEGINNING of wisdom, not the end (thank you Spock).
Brilliant. A significant amount of the civilian technology we use was derived from some military contract somewhere along the way - my two favs (beside my ARs) are GPS and rapid trauma care in the field - how many lives have those two improved/saved in civilian life?. By that logic, we should take velcro away after some moron figures out how to hang himself with it...it came from NASA so…you get the idea.
Logic is the BEGINNING of wisdom, not the end (thank you Spock).
Shanghai McCoy
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To be honost, I prefer the top version...
Just like walnut stocks I guess.
Just like walnut stocks I guess.
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Not this one. Beat up, scratched up, carved up (PD issue number), water damaged, cracked forearm, and crummy buttpad (fixable, but still). I could maybe save it for something as junky as a homebrew tube-gun build one day. Both sight beads broken off, and vent-rib dented. I figure if I can give it a new life (let alone a unique one) I'm doing it a favor (don't worry, I'm no bubba!
) It was definitely worth the 150$ I paid for it in this market TCB
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Seriously? Wow, talk about not getting it and spreading BS.
BTW, there are some shotguns that go for over $250,000, but that's something else entirely. So folks who shoot clay targets are mucky mucks?
It is people like you that sem to be the issue, you can't seem to get the fact that some gun owners have more money and use theirs for fun as well. So what? Every gun owner is affected, not just the black plastic crowd.perhaps you ned t learn more. About these " mucky mucks" you seem to hate so much
huntsman
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well someone thought the SPA's/LAW's and Street Sweeper were scary enough I can only guess they were viewed as too Military
ljnowell
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Thats a pretty unneeded attack. The point was the elite shoot competitions with thier shotguns at fancy country clubs and whatnot. Probably a good part of congress to be honest. They certainly dont want to ban thier own guns. The same reason the cigars arent taxed to all hell like cigarettes are in this country.
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