Why aren't 9mm revolvers more popular?

[Tilos]

Moonclips Rule! I would have a Charter Arms Pitbull in 40S&W if it use moonclips. Without moonclips it not nearly as interesting.

Thanks for reading and quoting my post.
To each his own...
I have a 625 too and have the proper tools to load/unload those clips, but I'm not in the realm of competition, so clips are just an annoyance for me.
That and I'm sure I could find speed loaders for the CA 9mm if I felt the need.
No need to respond here, you're wasting your moon clip wisdom on me.

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[JimCunn]

"No need to respond here, you're wasting your wisdom on me"

He makes sense to me.

 

[Tilos]

9MM has no rim therefore - like the 45 ACP - it is not suitable for a revolver without crutching it by using some sort of clip so the rounds can be extracted. The GI's used rim clips with the 45 ACP as a crutch to get through WWI and later some were even used in WWII (and by the Brazilians) but they were intended to be discarded, not re - used. The 45 Auto Rim was the ultimate fix.

The 9mm like the 45 ACP is designed to work in an autoloading pistol.

Well actually if you push the extractor rod partially to raise the extractor "star" a bit there is no "crunching it by some sort of clip" to load ammo without a (moon) clip.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...ull+9mm+stainless+steel+4.2+adjustable+sights
That is what I've read anyways, I'll report back once my gun arrives.

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[BLACKHAWKNJ]

The Israelis considered adopting an S&W in 9MM, made some prototypes, adopted the Beretta M1951 instead.

 

[C0untZer0]

Why Arent 9mm Revolvers More Popular?

 

[C0untZer0]

 

[Buckeye63]

Im sorta surprised why 9mm isn’t more popular..
Being ammo is less expensive.. wide variety of bullet weights , different pressures.. 9mm actually performs better out of short barrels VS 38spl

Myself .. Im a 40 S&W fan .. soooo

 

[Tallball]

"I've read the latest Ruger moonclips are easy to load/unload."

Very easy. It's super fast and easy to load/unload them with your fingers. It's easier than just poking out the 9mm brass, which sticks just a little bit in my revolvers.

The 45acp moon clips are difficult. I don't even use them. The brass usually just falls out of my 625 if I tap the butt on something.

 

[Zendude]

I am also a little puzzled why something like the Ruger LCR in 9mm isn’t more popular with newer shooters wanting a small gun like, say, a Glock 43.
Loading a moon clip isn’t much different than loading a magazine.
The price of the gun vs a brand like Glock is in the same ballpark.
Capacity is of course less in the revolver, but is that is a critical issue to a newer gun buyer? Currently the higher capacity guns like the 365 on the market now makes a big difference over revolvers, but when single stack mags were the standard the revolver should have fared better.

My guess would be that a big factor is that the gun companies’ profit margins for polymer semiautos is much higher than revolvers.

 

[Tilos]

I am also a little puzzled why something like the Ruger LCR in 9mm isn’t more popular with newer shooters wanting a small gun like, say, a Glock 43.
Loading a moon clip isn’t much different than loading a magazine.
The price of the gun vs a brand like Glock is in the same ballpark.
Capacity is of course less in the revolver, but is that is a critical issue to a newer gun buyer? Currently the higher capacity guns like the 365 on the market now makes a big difference over revolvers, but when single stack mags were the standard the revolver should have fared better.

My guess would be that a big factor is that the gun companies’ profit margins for polymer semiautos is much higher than revolvers.

Yes, all that and the added safety factor of a double action trigger over the Glock 43 type trigger.
The only autos that come close are the SCCY which has DA trigger and double strike capable, or maybe a Kahr that's kinda DA striker fired but has no 2nd strike.
More safety factors to consider is you can determine if a revolver is loaded or not without even touching it, and so to if the hammer is cocked or not.

And the only readily available ammo that's cheaper than 9mm is 22LR, so if someone wants to shoot more than a few rounds the 9mm is the way to go.
No need for the naysayers to post about trigger finger training/control, we're talking safety and new shooters here, who are known not to train much.
jmo,
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[C0untZer0]

I am also a little puzzled why something like the Ruger LCR in 9mm isn’t more popular

I experience bullet creep /crimp jump in my LCR. I haven't gone through the trouble of finding a round that it doesn't happen with.

I haven't had a cartridge come apart, but for 115gr www and 147gr Lawman, the 5th round is taller after 4 shots. The 5th round is also always a flyer, usually just low.

 

[JimCunn]

I haven't had any creep with 147 gr in my three titanium cylinder conversions.
Maybe luck of the draw.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

The real answer is: nobody makes one in a top-break.

A 3" top-break, enclosed hammer, 6-shot, 9mm with moon clips - lightning-style grip and twin thumb levers for the break action, of course...

 

[mcb]

The real answer is: nobody makes one in a top-break.

A 3" top-break, enclosed hammer, 6-shot, 9mm with moon clips - lightning-style grip and twin thumb levers for the break action, of course...

That would be a sweet little revolver!

 

[Brian Williams]

I use Ruger moonclips for a SP-101 in my "9"42

 

[JohnKSa]

I experience bullet creep /crimp jump in my LCR. I haven't gone through the trouble of finding a round that it doesn't happen with.

No need, Bond Arms has come up with a list already. Their Bullpup 9 has a unusual feeding mechanism that can result in inertial bullet pulling. So they have compiled a list of 9mm ammo that, in their experience, is unlikely to experience bullet creep/crimp jump.

https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/bond-arms-bullpup/#detailsPane

 

[gpb]

Bring back the Webley Fosbery 38 ACP Auto converted to 9mm.

 

[Jim Watson]

Anderson Wheeler wanted £6500 for their Mk VII Webley, I doubt any were delivered.
A Fosbery? Take out a loan on your yacht.

 

[halfmoonclip]

"Why convert to 357 first then ream to 9mm?"

Because I can buy inexpensive titanium .357 mag J-frame cylinders to get the weight down by two ounces, then ream them for 9mm without screwing up my original Stainless .38Sp cylinders.

I have 3 Airweight 9mm J-frames and 3 9mm semi-automatics.
I prefer the J-frames. Only downside is that 9mm recoil in the lightened Airweights is quite painful while .38 Sp recoil isn't.

This last is something I've not seen posted in this thread. Took me forever to chase down a 940, and then I was amazed about the sharpness of the 9mm recoil. S&W must have noticed, because they did make the barrel heavier than a corresponding 640. Have to believe a 340-esque Airweight would be on snappy to shoot bugger.
The fix for me was 147 reloads, which essentially produced .38 Spl ballistics out of a 9mm casing; recoil felt about the same as a .38 640 with full charge wadcutters.
Jim, where are you finding Ti Smith cylinders?
Thnx,
Moon

 

[JimCunn]

Midway. About $139.
I get cranes off Ebay for about $25.
I convert 637-2 Airweights and shoot 147 gr jhp xtp for about 952 fps and 292 ft-lbs. Substantially more than .38 Sp. Recoil is quite painful, so I tame it somewhat with old Herrett Shooting Star Conversion Grips. Still hurts.

 

[fxvr5]

I convert 637-2 Airweights and shoot 147 gr jhp xtp for about 952 fps and 292 ft-lbs. Substantially more than .38 Sp.

Just an FYI for people who might want to know, 158 grain 38 Special +P from Underwood and Buffalo Bore will launch a 158 grain bullet at 1,000 from a 2" barrel. That adds up to 351 ft lbs.

 

[JimCunn]

Can you buy it your local Academy?
Is it cheaper than subsonic 9mm?
I go the subsonic 9mm because the recoil in a 12 ounce gun hurts about as much as I can stand.
My Js will chamber .357 Mag. If I wanted to punish myself, I'd shoot that in them.

 

[Smaug]

I’m seeing that 9 mm recoil out of a light little revolver is unpleasant. Worse than standard pressure 38 Spl.

To those with experience, where does it slot in compared to factory 38 +P and factory 357 Magnums of similar bullet weights?

I’d assume it’d be more snappy than 38 +P (due to higher pressure) but less than 357, and a 357 with a 158 gr. or brazier would be the worst of the bunch.

 

[fxvr5]

Can you buy it your local Academy?
Is it cheaper than subsonic 9mm?
I go the subsonic 9mm because the recoil in a 12 ounce gun hurts about as much as I can stand.
My Js will chamber .357 Mag. If I wanted to punish myself, I'd shoot that in them.

I thought your post sounded like a ballistic "performance" statement. My post was just a comment on what is available in performance with some 38 Special +P ammo, hence the FYI label, in case readers were not familiar with those products.

The advantage of the 38 Special +P is that it does not require one to buy another cylinder for their 38 Special gun or pay to have it chambered to a different caliber, especially one that might require moon clips. It can be fired from any revolver rated for 38 Special +P, which applies to the current production J-frames.

 

[mcb]

I have yet to find handgun with recoil more unpleasant than full power 357 Magnum in a S&W 340PD. That is a mean hateful little revolver, kills on one end and crimples on the other. I would think most 9mm ammo would be more mild if for no other reason then it has a smaller case volume and thus has to use small chargers of faster powders.