Why aren't you a cowboy action shooter?

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I used to shoot SASS. I haven't shot it since the boots I used to use messed up my feet enough that I had to go to the podiatrist.

I also found that there are some cowboy shooters that need to back off on being the clothing police. Trust me, a new cowboy shooter doesn't want to be brow beaten for their SASS legal clothing not measuring up to your standards.
 
I have to wonder if the folks that have a problem with the light loads used to shoot SASS would also balk at having to conform to the standards of making Major or Minor for IPSC.
 
I want to thank all those who have taken the time to post comments. I should make it clear that I am just a guy with a question. I have no official standing in the SASS, and I am no longer even an officer in any of the cowboy action clubs I belong to. I am not trying to recruit anyone into cowboy action shooting. I just wanted to do a little casual research to see if some of the opinions expressed on the cowboy website were valid.

After beginning this thread on THF, I posted a link to it on the cowboy wire. Your comments have generated a lot of interest. A lot of cowboy action shooters have taken me to task for not trying to correct "misconceptions" about the sport. I did not see that as my responsibility...I asked for information, not an opportunity to argue about what was right and what was wrong. I respect a shooter's right to choose the activity that appeals to him or her, for whatever reason.

In fairness to all of you who have posted on this thread, I am now posting a link to the cowboy wire thread where, if you are interested, you can look at how your comments were perceived by folks who are actually participating in cowboy action shooting. I am NOT doing this to stir any pot or start arguments or anything of that nature. I have made good on my promise not to comment or criticize any post made on this thread. I just thought some of you might like to know how your comments were perceived by those who are participating in the sport.

It has been an interesting exercise and I appreciate all who have contributed to both threads.

http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=165111&st=0
 
Everyone keeps saying.....

"You don't have to wear a costume... just a pair of blue jeans, cowboy boots and western shirt."
Well.....for MOST of us.....that IS a silly costume!

"It will only cost you about $20 for the clothes."
True but it still "feels" ridiculous and has NOTHING to do with shooting firearms.

"It has to do with historical accuracy."
No, it doesn't. Neither does tricked-out Winchesters and SAA revolvers with glass-smooth triggers. It is a shooting competition. Those are competion guns. Period. (AND THAT IS FINE!) If you want to dress-up and be historically accurate then join a re-enactment
group. There's nothing wrong with it. Just don't try and pretend they are one in the same.

"The weaker ammo is for safety."
Wrong. It is for competition. Which is fine because it's a shooting competion. It's a bit hypocritical to say the ammo is okay but costume are needed for historic value.

IMHO this is why CAS/SASS is going to stay relegated to being "a renaissance fair with guns." It is NOT historically accurate and the (majority of) people involved like to dress-up and pretend to be from another time. If that is what you're into for fun, it's perfectly fine. However, if people REALLY want to increase participation and be seen as a "real shorting sport" (which IMHO it is one AND they have some skilled shooters) then the
costumes have GOT TO GO (or be COMPLETELY optional.)

It can still be a fun and friendly event. I think ALOT of people feel it will get too serious lie IPSC if they get rid of the costumes. Don't worry it won't happen. It can stay a good family atmosphere like a Ruger Rimfire Match.
 
"It will only cost you about $20 for the clothes."
True but it still "feels" ridiculous and has NOTHING to do with shooting firearms.

It's not my thing, I don't shoot SASS, but I'm not going to criticize the sport for requiring you to dress appropriately.

If you've ever seen pictures from the End of Trails event, it makes sense as to why they require you to dress up. Literally thousands of people, all of them in costume competing, interacting, socializing, and just generally doing their thing. I have to imagine that attending the event would be about as close to actually walking through an Old West movie as you're likely to get.

Also, if you're not willing to drop $20 on ancillary materials to compete in a sport, it's unlikely that you would have shown up even if the costume requirement was waived completely. You're likely to spend more than $20 just on the ammunition to shoot a local match.

"The weaker ammo is for safety."
Wrong. It is for competition.

From what I've seen, SASS matches tend to put a lot of steel targets at fairly close range. It would stand to reason that light loads and unjacketed lead bullets would reduce the risk of ricochets and frag bouncing back and injuring shooters, ROs, or spectators.
 
People crack me up. I've read the whole thread, and it seem like most posts say something like "Looks like a bunch of fun, except I don't want to dress up, and I don't like whimpy loads." That being the case, why does it look like a bunch of fun in the first place?

So, I too will say it looks like a bunch of fun. I've just never taken the time to go to a match and check it out for my self. I hope to change that some day. As to the need to purchase additional guns, well, that too sounds like a bunch of fun!

My only problem is that I'm going to have to find a pretty special hat to live up to my screen name (Matt-the-hat). :)


-Matt
 
Goofiness with crossdraw and "speed is king" courses. Long waits between shooting just became too boring for me.

The WORST offense is their allowance of powder-puff loads. This is totally gaming it.

Yawn.
 
Kayak Man - I don't see a problem with that shirt for a monthly match, most clubs are flexible on costuming for monthly matches for newcomers. An email to the match director or club contact is always a good idea, they can fill you in on any club specific stuff, and might even volunteer to line you up loaner guns if you don't have everything.

Dr. Rob, anytime, come on out!
 
It turns my stomach when I hear all of the comments from some people who shoot in one or two of the action shooting sports here on this site and I thought this was the HIGH ROAD?

After reading the post on the other forum its sad the impression we give others. Like I have said I have always been treated with open arms while watching their events. If someone wishes to dress up like mountain men, cowboys, western outfits, military or mall ninjas I do not care but to put them down is not right.

I know a club that has been thinking about letting a few more groups build areas for the different sports and after reading these post I know which ones I can suggest go foward and which ones I would not allow on the place.

I just might go watch a few more of the cas and sass events this year and you guys have a nice forum also.
 
Why aren't you a cowboy action shooter

I'm by heart a single action revolver fan. I will never shoot in a cowboy action even because.
1. There are too many rules about what is legal and what is not legal to shoot. Anyone that concerned about what is authentic or not is way too anal retentive in my book.
2. I have the firearms, but I'm not about the spend the money on clothes
3. I find cowboy boots uncomfortable
4. Time spent on creating an alias would better be spent on reloading for the next match.
5. The targets are too close and people game the system just to lower their times. Short strokes kits?????? How authentic is that?
6. What is so bad about adjustable sights???? Last I heard there was a movement to ban adjustable sights.
 
J-Bar,

Thank you for posting a link to the CASS-Wire. I read a bit of the posts and I'm glad to see that a lot of our "issues" with CAS are misconceptions. Also, BLue Steel Duke in post #9 on The Wire, had what I think is a pretty good idea.

Personaly, this is where I stand on the big 3 isssues that have cropped up:

Costume: Personally, I think the costume requirement might be kinda fun, especially if I can keep it limited to jeans, boots, a duster and a hat. I don't want to have dress in 100% hand made clothing, but I wouldn't object to dressing up kind of like Clint Eastwood for a day.

Powder Puff Loads: Honestly, I don't care what other people shoot. Hell, I enjoy being competive with less than ideal equipment. My sporting clays gun is an 870. Yes, I shoot pump gun. If everyone was shooting powderpuff loads, I would see it as my moral obligation to shoot full power 44magnum loads.

Cost: This goes both ways - some of the guys on the wire were saying that you only spend a couple grand guns, and allot of people put that into a single 1911. Heres the thing though, you CAN spend $2000 on a pistol for USPSA, but you don't HAVE to spend $2000 on a pistol. my USPSA pistol is my carry pistol, a $350 Ruger SR9. I plan on shooting 3 gun, and I'm going to use that, my Saiga AK that I have about $450 into, and my $250 870.
Part of the thing is, I really want a lever gun, but I don't want a pistol calliber levergun- I want a 45-70 so that when I finnaly go fishing up in Alaska, I can have something that will be usefull. I want a big revolver, but I want to get a double action so that I can shoot it quickly with one hand. The CAS guys keep saying that its not all that expensive, and compared to running a "race" STI 1911, they are right. The thing is, they are single use guns. USPSA/3Gun utilizes my HD and carry guns, while CAS is based around guns that I wouldn't really use for other competitions or carry because of the slow reload time. Gear wise, I've only got $400 invested in USPSA. Can I actually compete in CAS with only $400 worth of gear?

I'm sorry, but the cost of gear is kind of a "hot button" for me, and its all welll and good for people to say "It only costs $xx" but even $x is outside of my price right now. You can compare the price of gear to a race gun all you want, and you can say that compared to other shooting sports, its not expensive - thats all fine. But when I say that for me its too expensive, well, until y'all try paying for tuition and gas, while having been out of work for the past 6 months, then you can say that I'm wrong about the cost of shooting. Tone doesn't carry well over the internet, so just so you know, this isn't me foaming at the mouth, and if it comes off as snarky/abrassive, it wasn't really meant to be that way. I agree that the cost of gear isn't that bad compared to some of the shooting sports out there, but well, In all honesty, I've only got about $27 to my name right now. Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, just wanted people to understand where I'm coming from when I say "no really, I would, but I can't"

Rant over.

Sorry if I came off a bit abrassive there, but I felt like it needed saying.

That being said - CAS looks like a lot of fun, and it sounds like y'all are an upstanding group of people. When I can start working again, it will definately be something I'll look into. It must be really frustrating from your side, with all these misconceptions flaoting around.

Dave, Thanks for the answer. I'll look your club up if I ever find myself in CO.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
So if you have considered cowboy action shooting but decided not to participate, I would like to find out why you made that decision.
I have considered getting into Cowboy Action Shooting for a while now. I guess like some others have said, the biggest issue for me is cost, I would not only need four guns that I don't currently own (two SA pistols, one rifle and shotgun) and a relativly expensive holster set, but also the cost of an outfit, too.

From the matches I have seen on TV, I also am somewhat put off by the overly 'gaming' nature of the competitions (non-prototypical "speed" holster rigs, squib loads, short stroke kits, etc.). Since I have never been to a CAS match, perhaps I'm just seeing the 'unlimited' competitions, but something a bit more 'period' and laid back would suit me better.

Also, the option to just compete with one gun in some form would be attractive, as it would allow people to spread the cost of a full four-gun setup over time, while still allowing them to participate in the interum.

The first one and it is the BIGGEST thing that keeps ALOT of interested people away from Cowboy Action Shooting is the REQUIREMENT TO WEAR A COSTUME. The majority of shooters have absolutely NO DESIRE to dress-up like a cowboy.
Honestly, if they did away with the costume requirements entirely I would have zero interest in Cowboy Action Shooting. In fact, I would say that in some ways I find the reinactment aspect of the sport more interesting than the actual competition itself.
 
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For those of you who are regular CAS/SASS shooters, what are the misconceptions about light loads?

Are there ammunition requirements similar to the power factor requirements seen in USPSA?

Regarding some of the "gamey" aspects of equipment, like the short stroke kits, are those only allowed in certain divisions?
 
I've got the guns, and a cowboy hat. The local club decided to hold their competitions on Sunday mornings, though, and I have comittments at church.
 
yep

I'm sorry, but the cost of gear is kind of a "hot button" for me, and its all welll and good for people to say "It only costs $xx" but even $x is outside of my price right now. You can compare the price of gear to a race gun all you want, and you can say that compared to other shooting sports, its not expensive.....

+1 about that. I read the comparison to the expense of other shooting sports on the SASS forum. There is some truth in comparing the expense of four guns to the cost of a full out race gun but as was well stated by the author of the quote above, one doesn't have to have a full out race gun to start. SASS - ya gotta have the guns.
It might be OK for someone who is completely new to shooting competition to compare expenses. But for those of us who are already invested in other shooting sports, the expense is additional.
Interestingly, none of the guns that I have for other competitions is usable in SASS - not the shotguns that I hunt with or use for Trap and Skeet, not the rifles I use for prone or HP, not the pistols that I use for Bullseye.

Pete
 
In general shooters have a hard time finding out about competitions and getting started.

For many shooters it is hard to try anything new because of equipment needed. This can apply to highpower, fclass and such. Usually some form of pistol competition is easier to get started as your carry gun can be used. SASS guns don't have as much of a widespread dual purpose as some of the other competitions guns can have. Some of us just can't justify more time and expense for another "thing".

I have to admit the whole costume and pretend thing is not my type of thing. I'm sure you do get to know some great people on a bit of a deeper level than other events.

I have know idea how the competition portion of it works.
 
As per amuunition/power factor requirements, we have rules that govern pistol and rifle ammunition. As per the SASS Shooter Handbook:

"The minimum standard for center-fire ammunition used in all smokless categories in all
SASS matches State, Regional, National, International, and World Championship
Competitions is not less than a minimum power factor of 60 and no velocity may be less than
400 fps. The maximum velocity standard for revolvers is 1000 fps. The maximum velocity
standard for rifles is 1400 fps."


Shooters can select their loads based upon these guidelines. Some shooters feel the need to compete using the lightest load/bullet possible, others like to shoot using standard cartridge loads. Myself, I shoot a 158 gr. .38 Spl load, at 900 fps, in both my revolvers and my rifle (I load my rounds to the same velocities as my carry ammunition). A good many of our shooters prefer to use the "holy black" for all of their loads, and as such, the bigger the fireball and boom, the better.

As per the use of short stroke kits, these are allowed, but again are covered in the SASS Shooters Handbook:

"All lever action rifles must have a lever travel distance of not less than 4-1/8 inches when
measured as follows:
With the action closed, measure three inches back from the back edge of the trigger at the
point where it enters the frame. Mark this point on both the bottom of the buttstock and the
lever opposite the buttstock mark. Open the lever to its maximum extension and measure the
distance between the two marks"


The short stroke modifications were performed to enable the earlier Winchester designed rifles (1866/1873/1892) to keep up with the Marlin 1894 rifles (the Marlin design has a shorter lever throw). The limitations in the handbook were put in place to limit on the amount of modifications performed on these rifles.

Now, as for categories, there are many choices to choose from:

We have age based categories: Buckaroo, Cowboy, Wrangler, Forty-Niners, Seniors, Silver Seniors, and Elderly Statesmen...just to name a few.

We have Traditional Class shooters - Two handed supported revolver style

Duelist - One handed unsupported revolver style, both Single and Double Duelist styles in this category

Gunfighter - Two revolvers, one in each hand

B-Western - Relive those glory days of your youth, and dress like Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Tom Mix, Randolph Scott...or any other of your silver screen heroes. Buscadero Style drop holsters are a must, as are embellished costumes, leather, hats and boots (this is Hollywood you know, must keep up appearances).

Classic Cowboy/Cowgirl - This is where the clothing requirements are the strictest, with required items that must be worn (chaps, spurs, cuffs, scarfs, vests, knives, pocket watches with full chains). Proper leather gear is a must (no buscadero holsters, no drop holsters), traditional style boots, and fur/felt hats required (no straw hats allowed).

Blackpowder Categories - Frontier Cartridge (blackpowder cartridges in all firearms), and Frontiersman (percussion revolvers, blackpowder cartridges for rifle and shotgun).

As you can imagine, there are many ways to play the game, and everybody can play the game as they see fit within the established rules and guidelines.

One last thing, as per outfits, any pair of blue jeans (no designer jeans), a long sleeve shirt or long sleeve henly, and some form of shoe/boot (no tennis shoes, no sandals, no military boots), these are the minimum requirements. Hearing and eye protection are required for all participants.
 
Fellas for tha cost of guns in SASS:
2 used Ruger Vaq 750.00
used 92 win or marlin 550.00
used stoger SXS 300.00
new locally made double rig (pistol) 200.00
Shotgun slide for ya belt (ammo holder) 35.00
clothes? Use whats in you closet. Long sleve shirt, blue jeans, work boots.
No hat required ta win EOT.

Thats about 1835.00, it ain't free but it ain't a mint either. Probably about 75% shoot these type of guns.


LF
 
WOW!

I started shooting SASS a couple years ago, and its been great.

I do see where some of the confusions come from.

SASS is a fantasy shooting sport. It is not a reinactment or perfect history correct sport. There are other Cowboy Action Shooting related groups that cover those. NCOWS being a common one.

You make it what you want. If you want to shoot all dressed up like the fancy cowboys of the big screen era, there's a category for that. If you want to get dressed up like the real cowboys of the late 1800' there's a category for you. If your a woman and want to shoot, there's many categories you will be more than welcome in (girls & guns, what could be better). If your the woman that wants to shoot in a tight visible corset and melt the hearts of all the men in the territory you will be most welcome.
If your a shooter who wants to see if you can improve your shooting skills, using a variety of guns from the old west all at once, this if for you.
If you want be first in class, or first overall, it will still take a lot a practice, skill and a bit of luck.

Categories:
There are many to chose from.
Most are minimum age based (young gun/bucaroo/buckarette up to 14 or 16; cowboy - open to any age; wrangler - 36+; fourty niner - 49+; senior - 60+; silver senior - 65+; elder statesman/grande dames 70+), but there are others to chose from based on shooting style.
Two catagories have the requirement of shooting one handed (duelest and gunfighter), others are open to two handed or one handed. In B-Western its an option to any of the three ways (duelist, gunfighter or two handed).
Gunfighters use two hand guns at once, all others are one loaded hand gun out at a time. Duelist and double duelist are shot one handed either both guns from the same hand, or right gun right hand, left gun left hand.
Any category can be broken down to add an optional ladies category. They do not have to shoot in the ladies only category.

Costuming:
Two are costume based categories (B-Western, and Classic Cowboy) These are the ones you see all the fancy duds and extras that have a minimum requirement. Its also where a lot of misconception that the rules for these two classes apply to all classes. NOT TRUE
All the other categories have very open rules for attire. Leather boots are fine (I use leather work boots). Others use hiking boots. Rules only state no tennis shoes or combat boots.
Long sleeve shirt. Any long sleeve shirt. Only rules specify no advertising/logos.
Hat is optional. (I will say you'll want one) either from the funnin with you'll get about losin your hat, or to keep the weather from getting to ya (straw type in the sun or felt or leather in the rain), or mostly, some guns (1873, 1892 rifles) throw the brass right on top of you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kuFE3xsL4
We are dressed up because thats what our imagination desired when we decided to complete own little shooting fantasy.

Power factor:
We have a minimum PF. It is rather light to some, but this encourages the targets be close enough to aid the shooter in getting the most hits with minimum splash back in the fastest time. We strive for hits on steel. We like to hear the ring of the steel (see below). PF is rarely checked, and many of the so called Mouse Phart loads would likely be illegal.

Guns:
Pistols, most curently use Ruger Vaqueros or Black hawks, or Colt SAA's and their replicas. If you only have one, you can reload on the clock to shoot the other 5 shots, or maybe hook up with a pardner who will share. Another option I've seen is to shoot one pistol but your score does not count in finals.
Shotguns, most use either a double coach gun with or without visible hammers, or the Winchester 1897 pump action. Another that has a great cool factor is the Winchester 1887 lever action.
Rifles, most use either a Marlin 1894 or reproduction 1873. Another comon rifle is the replica 1892.

Ammo:
We use lead only for all rounds for safety. See PF above.

Scoring.
We have a script or scenario for each stage. Some instructions are more open to interpretation than others. Different clubs will vary just how open the instructions/target sequence. Basicly you have four guns, and an array of targets. The script may give you the order in which the targets need to be hit, or leave the exact order up to the shooter. If there is a sequence and you shoot targets out of sequence, your given a procedural time penalty of 10 seconds. If you miss a target you recieve a time penalty of 5 seconds per miss.

We use a sound pressure sensitive timer. The shooter starts at the beep given from the timer after the shooter acknowleges they are ready (usally saying a line, either made up, or from a movie). The timer picks up the time each shot is fired, and the stage time ends when the timer records the last shot.

Benifit of doubt always goes to the shooter.
If you know its a hit its a hit.
If you think its a hit its a hit.
If you think its a miss its a hit.
If you know its a miss its a miss.

WILDBUNCH
I see some even wanted to play with their 1911's. We gotchya covered here too.
This is for higher PF and a place to use your more current 1911 pistol.
This is new to SASS, but many clubs have been doing it for 10-12 years or more.
Similar to SASS, but hand gun requires a 1911, either "Traditional" original GI style gun, or "Modern" allows things like beaver tails, adjustable sights, and other comon now standard items.
A Winchester 1897 pump action shotgun starts with a loaded mag tube.
A large caliber SASS aproved rifle.
Many clubs offer a little bending of the rules in this class to entice more shooters to come play.
 
I first looked into CAS about 6 months ago, right around the same time I started looking into percussion revolvers. This was triggered by my roommate purchasing a Ruger New Vaquero in .45LC. After seeing him play quick-draw and twirl it around in the living room for a couple weeks, I finally got a break in my work schedule and we got a couple boxes of cowboy action loads and took it out into the desert in true Southern Arizona style.

I had so much damned fun with the thing, I started looking at revolvers as soon as we got back. I liked the New Vaquero but it just didn't give me that "have to have it" feeling, and in the process of searching I found two things that demanded further research. Percussion cap pistols, and CAS.

The idea of BP sixguns hooked me right away and I spent an outrageous amount of time reading and researching, and promised myself I'd by at least one in the near future. My experience with looking up CAS shooting however, was a little less enthralling.

The first things I stumbled on were most of the concerns previously mentioned in this thread. Some have been addressed in one way or another, but I figure I'll share my own two cents as well.

Costumes first of all. I don't have a problem dressing up as a cowboy. I've lived in cowboy country the better half of my life, ridden horses, raised steers, driven fence posts. It's how my parents dressed me from 5-10 as we owned and operated a Wyoming guest lodge. However, the idea of it being absolutely required is a bit of a turn off. That's the impression I got. Now, a couple folks have stated the requirements to be a little more lax. Blue jeans, a long sleeve work shirt, no tennis shoes or combat boots, and if you wear a hat it has to be western in styling. That I can get behind, but it's certainly not the first impression I received.

The next issue is the matter of the guns. I have no desire to invest well over a thousand dollars in firearms that will be mostly plinkers and range queens. That's a lot of money to anyone, but especially to the 20's crowd who have a lot of hobbies and ways to spend their money. I recently ordered an 1860 Colt and an 1858 Remington, one as a gift for my father. I own an inherited Winchester 9422XTR lever action .22. Why can't I compete with just what I've got? Events need to be organized in a different manner, in my opinion. Think of athletics. You can be a swimmer, a runner, or a bicyclist. You can specialize in what you enjoy, and even then you can specialize further. If you're a bicyclist, are you a street cyclist or a mountain biker, maybe you ride BMX. If you want to participate in all three, you join a triathlon.

That's how it should be with CAS in my opinion. I'd like to be able to just go have a good fun day of action oriented competitive shooting with my revolver, against other people shooting cap and ball revolvers. Short, fun events where you can use cartridge or black powder. One gun, or a pair. I believe in some basic limitations on loading, but it's a little strict from what I gather. A box of winchester cowboy action loads for my buddies Vaquero run $45 a box. Lead bullets for higher power loads makes sense, but there will always be a degree of risk involved. Look at the ever growing airsoft community. They have fully automatic weapons that fire 3 to 6 grain projectiles at 300-600 fps at each other, and most places only require a one page safety wager.

On a short note, I really don't like the idea of aliases. I've used my name with pride for the entirety of my life and I don't have any desire whatsoever to play reenactor. The poster that said it should be about the guns and the shooting hit the nail on the head.

Another thing I found lacking was a good website with an in depth description and detailed rundown of all aspects of the sport with a proper index. The internet has become a pivotal point in decision making, research, and information gathering the world over. Especially among youth. If you want to convince more young people to take part, you need this sort of a resource. Even a well maintained wiki will do wonders. It can't appear pretentious, strict, or targeted to a limited audience.

This is all coming from a 19 year old lifelong shooting enthusiast, long time "cowboy country" resident, and someone who really did look into it and was turned off by the strictly controlled environment which the sport presents to someone like myself. For comparison, while looking into black powder firearms for the first time I found a remarkably varied, welcoming, friendly and helpful community with members fitting every possible niche.

To summarize, here are the main things that resulted in my CAS links ending up sequestered in a folder in my bookmarks list. The first is what came across as a horrifically strict "authenticity" doctrine. My guns sights might not be historically correct, but that's just because I'm trying to expand on the usefulness of the firearms I'm purchasing. I really don't believe that someone with a Ruger Old Army or Pietta with adjustable sights has an outrageous advantage over someone with original sights once they get to know their gun. Not at the ranges seen in normal CAS. Or for that matter, a fictional 1851 Navy in .44. I don't want to play dress up. If I can just wear my Levis and a long sleeve button down shirt, that's fine. I'll grab my wool felt hat on the way out. I've got a couple buddies though that are huge firearms fans but won't wear cowboy boots. Shouldn't be a big deal. I don't want to have to buy a side-by-side or a lever in .44LC. I should be able to participate with my Pietta and Winchester .22.

What it boils down to is, if you want to attract a younger crowd of new shooters, you're going to have to appeal to a younger crowd. If you can believe it, there are folks in my age range that have never seen Tombstone. It's a different world, and while there are plenty of shooting enthusiasts who place plenty of value on historical significance they don't want to be constrained by it. I've got up 4-5 pals that I'm sure would give it a shot, and one or two I'm sure would really enjoy participating if it wasn't quite so demanding. If I could grab my 1860 Colt, my buddy could grab his New Vaquero, and my other buddy could dust off the Marlin .30-30 in his closet and we could go out for a day of laughs and competitive fun we'd be all over it. We have the most fun just 4-wheeling out into the remote deserts of Arizona, setting up and plinking like cowboys. If we could do it in an organized competitive setting, all that much better.

A bit long winded, now that I look at it. I hope, however, that I've provided some good insight on how to revamp the image of SASS and CAS to bring some fresh blood to the hobby. :)

Until then, carry on cowboy.


EDIT: Just a note, after I saw the comment about people wanting to play with their 1911's. I'd like to play with my Springfield. It's even older than the 1911 and has that enticing bolt action ring to it.
 
I don't own the guns and I don't own a cowboy hat. I have an interest in the guns and can see myself eventually, maybe, owning at least some of them. I don't see myself ever owning a cowboy hat. Also, for much of the year, I'm busy enough that I don't need more to do on the weekends. I have met and shot with a few of the more notable CAS members in the area and for the most part they are good guys. There are a few however, that are serious gamers and ruin it for many.
 
There are a few however, that are serious gamers and ruin it for many.
Shouldn't be that way at all.

Thirty years ago my wife and I got involved in IHMSA big bore handgun silhouette shooting. All we had to start was a Super Blackhawk and some factory ammo. A year later, I was heavily into handloading and another year later, we were both shooting unlimited class, her with an XP100 and me with a Wichita.

We had a ball. Most of the competitors were young couples with kids, as were we. We made big jokes about the women always outshooting the men (and they frequently did). We hosted the state match a few times and always put on a quality match.

But it was always in good fun.

But, speaking of gamers, one of our members was Lon Pennington, who later became international champion. He took the sport very seriously, but I don't think any of us ever thought less of him because of it.

We had our goals, he had his. Nothing wrong with that.
 
But, speaking of gamers, one of our members was Lon Pennington
Actually, I mis-spoke. There's no way to game a silhouette match. The only way to shoot at Lon's level is to tweak your handgun and your loads to the max, and practice, practice, practice.

Back on topic, I spent a day at a SASS match in Ramah CO a few years ago, watching a friend shoot. People kept offering me guns and ammo if I wanted to try shooting. It looked like a lot of fun.

I don't know if that club is still active, but I suppose they are. They had bought a ranch and set up a permanent SASS range. It was top of the line, I thought.
 
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