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Why Bush will get my vote!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by I'mSpartacus!, Dec 24, 2003.

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  1. I'mSpartacus!

    I'mSpartacus! Member

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    #1 reason? Judicial appointments.

    Domestically, the president has little to do directly with the economy aside from psychological impact. He does, however, appoint judges for life to the federal and supreme courts.

    Elect Bush and most of the appointments will be judges who give some respect to gun owner's rights and crime victim protection -- elect Dean and see what this country will be like with a group of young, liberal judges who will likely make Clinton's appointments look conservative.
     
  2. Jeff White

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    Doesn't do a bit of good to appoint anyone to the bench if you arent willing to play hardball politics to get them confirmed. Bush has zero credibility on judicial appointments. The Dems are able to keep him from confirming any till they get into power.

    When he makes a recess appointment, I'll believe he gives a hoot about the court....

    Jeff
     
  3. Standing Wolf

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    What judicial appointments?
     
  4. Chris Rhines

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    I don't think I'd trust any judge that Bush appointed.

    - Chris
     
  5. Ian

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    Hooray! If Bush gets into power again, we'll be assured of having a bunch more closet socialists in the Supreme Court. Just what we need.
     
  6. Malone LaVeigh

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    Bush has gotten a much higher proportion of his nominees confirmed than Clinton. The Repugs are just getting a little of their own medicine. This is not a bad thing.

    When both ruling parties are corrupt, gridlock is good.
     
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    I thought Estrada might be too liberal, but the ones currently in waiting I hope will finally make it through the quagmire the Democrats have created. The filibusters are criminal. All nominees deserve an up or down vote.
     
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    As opposed to the non-closet socialists any Democrat would appoint?
     
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    Come on people, we live in a two-party system. The "Damned if you do" and "Damned if you don't" parties. Bush or Dean, it doesn't matter.
     
  10. I'mSpartacus!

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    Sorry, I'll take a Scalia or Thomas (the types Bush would appoint to the courts) over a Clinton appointee like Ruth Ginsberg (who thinks the court should follow precidents from the EU in making decisions) any day.

    If conservatives don't support Bush, they'll deserve Euro-style gun restrictions!
     
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    Has J. Ginsberg actually said that, or are you basing that conclusion on her voting pattern?
     
  12. Bob Locke

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    Considering he is on record as supporting reauthorizing the AWB, what sort of pro-gun people do you think he would appoint to the bench? And then there's his signing of the McCain-Feingold clap-trap.

    I'm seriously wondering what he means when he says he wants "strict Constitutionalists" in the courts, as he apparently has no idea what that is.
     
  13. I'mSpartacus!

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    Tyme,

    "4. Ginsberg. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg publicly acknowledged last week that she based her opinion in the Lawrence v Texas (Texas sodomy law) case not on American law, American jurisprudence, the Constitution, Federalist Papers or the Declaration of Independence. Ginsberg joined the other Clinton appointee on the court – Stephen Breyer, - saying that she based her opinion on recent trends in European Law and EU Court actions."

    http://home.gci.net/~agimarc/archives/ii_000811.htm

    Do you really want more of this? If you do, please do not caste your vote for Bush. A liberal Democrat will appoint more of these people and we too can have a country in which the law mirrors other great nations -- like France.:what:
     
  14. Bob Locke

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    Sounds to me like the Congress ought to vote articles of impeachment against Justice Ginsberg for failing to live up to her oath of office. Since she is sworn to uphold the Constitution, and blatantly stated that she made a ruling based on European standards of law, it would seem to be a pretty easy case to make.

    But Bush still doesn't rate my vote come November.
     
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    I hardly consider saying he'll sign it if Congress makes the new law as supporting reauthorization.

    Note: Congress still makes laws.

    He said it once...through Ari Fleicher (who refused to repeat it when pressed.)

    What kind of people will he appoint to the bench!? Good Lord! What kind of people do you think a Dem candidate will appoint?

    If a Dem somehow gets into the White House, gun owners are screwed...for a long time to come.

    If you try to spin it any other way, you are either as politically astute as a brick, or you have a further agenda.
     
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    You are not so blind as to think Bush is actually a conservative on any issue, are you?

    The conservatives will have no one to vote for in the next election.

    Here are the top 4 reasons why conservatives should not support Bush:

    1. Medicare Reform/Prescription Benefit Program, a socialist liberal program if ever there was one, and it puts GWB on par with Lyndon Johnson.

    2. Campaign Finance Reform, limiting the ability of citizens and citizen groups to speak out politically before an election. So much for the First Amendment, folks. While Bush said he thought the law was unconstitutional, he subsequently signed it. I suppose he thought the Supreme Court would strike it down, but they did not. If our president is sworn to defend the Constitution, why would he sign a law he thought was unconstitutional?

    3. He supports renewing the Assault Weapons Ban. Don't think for a minute he wont really sign it if it reaches his desk. I don't think he has the spine to veto it, he sure didnt stand up and veto Campaign Finance Reform

    4. The Patriot Act, which makes government spying of the citizenry easier.


    Obviously, we are worse off with someone more liberal than Bush in power, but don't be fooled into thinking you are voting conservatively if you vote for Bush.
     
  17. Jeff White

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    Bush is no conservative...

    His record bears that out. He may be less liberal then the known Democratic opposition, but he's not a conservative.

    I for one am tired of supporting the lesser of two evils. I'm tired of voting for the person who's going to screw me over the least. The way I see it, conservatives have two chances. We can attempt to take over the Republican party or we can start a new party and in 20 years once again be a viable political force.

    Jeff
     
  18. I'mSpartacus!

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    Okay, so if a man isn't perfect you will let the worse guy get in office? You know, George Washington had his faults, and the British were much worse, but are you saying you would have sat out the Revolutionary War just to teach Washington a lesson? Good thing our ancestors didn't have that attitude or we'd be soon getting princess Charles as our new king.
     
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    I dropped my support for Bush when he said in a public statement that he thought the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance bill was "propably unconstitutional", but he was going to sign it anyway.
     
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    Possibly the same sort as the AG, who stated in writing that the 2A was an individual right.
     
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    I'm still for supporting the lesser of two evils. I tried boycotting elections a few times and it didn't help a thing. "None of the above" never got on the ballot. Bush vs. Dean, Lieberman, Daschle, Kerry, Gepheart(sp) or that beast Hillary is a no brainer. Bush is certainly not all I want him to be for issues near and dear, but he does show character and principle beyond most politicians. Give him his shot at making the world a better place. People will forget the treachery of Bill C. by then and set Hillary on the throne. Then it begins again.:barf:
     
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    He doesn't have to be perfect at all. I just don't want him to wipe his behind on the Constitution. The four points I list above are in contradiction of at least 3 of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

    The difference between the Dems and Repubs is the same difference as driving off a cliff at 100 mph versus 50 mph.

    I don't think I have any choice but to vote for someone other than Bush. He is not representative of what the Republican party should be. I agree with Jeff White, conservatism is a lost cause for now. If we want to reclaim it, we either need to get people like Bush out of the Republican Party, or start a new party, and of course this would be a long term proposal.

    It doesn't really matter to me if we have a liberal Republican versus a liberal Democrat in office.

    It has become so ingrained in our thinking that the Republican party is conservative that many people have not noticed that the platform of the party has changed.
     
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    He should've vetoed Campaign Finance Reform. He still gets my vote as of this minute, but if the AWB doesn't fold and he signs a renewal into law, he will lose my vote for good.
     
  24. I'mSpartacus!

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    Like I said before, does a Dean-appointed Supreme Court sound good to you? Yes, the campaign finance bill was a stupid act, but the Democrats would also do many other lousy things -- take for example, the so-called Fairness Doctrine. How long do you think the Democrats will take to put an end to conservative talk radio? Don't support Bush and you'll find out.
     
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    If you think the Campaign Finance Reform bill was unconstitutional, and yet you vote for Bush again, then aren't you personally guilty for not defending the Constitution?

    The Republicans are slowly boiling us to death.
     
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