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Why buy American made?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Eleanor416Rigby, Dec 27, 2012.

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  1. Eleanor416Rigby

    Eleanor416Rigby Member

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    Of the handfull of firearms I own and have owned, most actually were made in the USA. However, I don't check for a stamp saying "Made in USA" before I buy.

    I buy the best quality I can afford.

    Competition is what made this country great. If we give US manufacturers a pass and buy their products even when they are lower quality or overpriced then it does not compel them to do better. Cronyism, Nepotism, the Good Ol' Boy system, or whatever you want to call it is a slow-developing cancer. We the consumers are the ones who stand to suffer from it.
     
  2. Cesiumsponge

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    The "buy American" jingoism is overplayed. Buying the best product is how we show the market what we want. I will not pay more to settle for less simply because it's made here. And what we end up with is an East German Trabant or Chrysler K-car and a lack of incentive to make anything better because it sells well.

    Keep in mind that buying the best product is a markedly different philosophy than "buy cheap stuff". People that want to buy the cheapest product aren't necessarily looking for quality goods that'll last. There are people looking for a good product at a good price and folks that simply want the cheapest product to satisfy their requirement.
     
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    ^^ Im with that guy.

    All countries are capable of making good firearms. And since foreign firearms must at least have an importer you still are supporting American jobs.
     
  4. Eleanor416Rigby

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    Agreed on the difference between best value and "cheap stuff".

    I can't afford to buy cheap firearms, because I can be a little rough on the equipment at times. I would have to buy replacements. To me, the increase in functional quality of a high end firearm does not justify the increase in price. (Usually the biggest gains are in looks at the high end.) I usually find the best value for me is in the tier or two just above the cheap tier.

    I had a buddy that scoffed at my springfield XD 9mm subcompact: "Made in Croatia" he said with a little bit of disdain. His 9mm is a smith & wesson sigma. (I won't own a smith&wesson of any quality made anywhere, for my own political reasons, but the sigma...)
     
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    The Sigma series wasn't Smith and Wessons proudest moment. I Still remember the .380 Sigma that was rumored to self destruct after a predetermined amount of rounds.
     
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    I sure do like Ruger.
     
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    Because I work in manufacturing and have seen people loose their jobs to overseas, cheap labor. I buy everything American made that I can afford.

    Now if American made was subpar to foreign made I might see a point, but American quality is generally great. Why support other countries with jobs when we can support our own country in our buying?


    I refuse to buy a foreign automobile or firearm.

    Like the Country song says about people like me, "He's just made in America"

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  8. nathan

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    So far , i got Colt . Ruger, Remington, HRA and Marlin guns in my collection.
     
  9. Cesiumsponge

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    I work in aerospace manufacturing and I have seen some of the laziest people in my life in this field. There are lazy no-good people of every shape, size and color on every continent on Earth.

    The last two American cars I owned were Mopar pieces of junk that didn't last past 100k miles. And I'm a big Mopar fan. One simply fell apart on everything. The other had horrific transmission and axle issues. The engine was flawless, but that's because they came with a Mitsubishi 6G72 :D It left a bad enough taste that I won't bother ever consider the brand again.

    I'm much happier with my Toyota with 100k miles and the only problem I've had was a $7 bulb that burnt out in the console, and most of it is made in America. Did we forget other countries offshore jobs to America? Did you ever see the sticker on "American cars" and see how much of it is made in Mexico or Canada? Lets just tell all foreign companies to pack up and head back home perhaps and fire all the Americans they employ?

    I was stuck between two rifles and ended up with a Finnish Sako TRG-22. The only other comparable rifle was the British AI AW. If America had anything remotely close, I would have considered them as a contender. I also own plenty of Colts, Remingtons, and Rugers. Best product and best value wins at the end of the day. I'm not a cheapskate by far. I pay the asking prices for US-made Danners and US-made Allen Edmonds.
     
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    "Like the Country song says about people like me, "He's just made in America"

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    That's irony, right there.
     
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    I'd like to always buy American, but I'll never "choose" to buy American. Companies in this country have to earn my dollars same as anyone else.

    The slogan should be; "Buy the Best: Made in America"

    Damn, it's not just my place of work, then...

    TCB
     
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    I own firearms made in England, Italy, Germany, Austria, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Argentina, Brazil, and the good old U.S. of A. Probably about half of them are American-made. Most of the Eastern European stuff is historical.
     
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    You beat me to it backbencher.
     
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    If two firearms are otherwise equal, I'll go with the American made one.

    Most of my firearms are of the hunting variety, and the US makers do very well in that genre. So, it turns out most of my arms are in fact made in the USA.

    9mm pistols, however are another story.

    I respect the position, Colorodo Handgunner, of resisting outsourcing (edit: offshoring is apparently a more accurate term) of US jobs. I won't take it so far as to reward US manufacturers in those cases when the imports are better value.
     
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    Outsourcing and offshoring are two different things.

    Offshoring is doing outsourcing outside the USA.

    Outsourcing is simply not doing something in-house. Example: we outsource our work to a local vendor for physical vapor deposition coatings. We aren't set up for that type of work. We aren't offshoring the process to China or Canada. Most companies outsource work, especially in manufacturing. It's simply too expensive and costly to do every manufacturing step in-house unless you're a giant corporation. Even giant corporations outsource. Boeing outsources work to us. They're the backbone to all the aerospace manufacturing companies in this area of my state.
     
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    Talking of lazy self conceited workers, i ve seen it many many times. Made in America is a misnomer especially in quality. I go by excellent reviews and my personal take of the products at hand.
     
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    American products are rarely of poorer quality these days. However they are often "overpriced". It seems it's difficult to compete with Chinese labor at $5 per day, unless of course you know a bunch of Americans that can afford to work for that.
     
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    I own Glock and CZ and FN products, and I really like them.

    What I won't support is American companies outsourcing their production. It's not about quality, but jobs, and I believe firmly in this. I don't think it should be illegal, but I choose not to support it (when possible).

    Frequently (NOT always), American products are not overpriced, but instead, outsourced products are "underpriced". This is why I'm all for American capitalism, but not globalization. Foreign manufacturers should be able to compete in our economy, but we've not leveled the playing field enough to preserve our own economic integrity. That, in conjunction with our leaders' spending habits is why we're where we are now.
     
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    Yup :D
     
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    I doubt that quality firearms are made for $5.00 per day labor. Unless you know of quality guns made for $5.00 per day in China, then you're just throwing out a cliche.

    You may be right that US products are rarely of poorer quality. If we all were to buy only US products no matter what, then we wouldn't be able to say that for long. As I mentioned in the OP, competition is what made the USA and US products great. Competition is needed to keep them great too.
     
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    American companies generally make good products because American competition weeds out most crappy American companies. It's hard to start up a crappy company and stay in business without government intervention/bailouts/subsidies.
     
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    I will not settle for "not crappy" if I don't have to. Sure the market will weed out the low end. I will buy the best value, no matter whose label is on it.
     
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    When it comes to firearms I don't go out of my way to buy American, it just happens that way. I have more Rugers, Marlins, and Remingtons than I have Walthers, Taurus etc.
     
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    I do my best to buy non-union.....legalized racketeering. Send the UAW a thank you note for our current predicament.
     
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    I buy American only but I also only buy quality. Fortunately, there are enough gun companies that meet both criteria that I don't have to worry about buying a foreign make to get the quality I want; Ruger, Mossberg, Winchester (OK, its owned by FN), Marlin, S&W, Dan Wesson, Remington (Pre-Freedom Group)
     
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