Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by captlid, Oct 12, 2009.
Domestic Violence can not be waived. Felonies can be.
Johnny, so you think today's youth are responsible enough to buy a handgun at age 9? I too was shooting at a very young age, but when I was 16-24 I did a lot of stupid things (as do so many of today's young adults) . I'm glad I didn't have a handgun during those years, most likely I wouldn't be able to own one today.
I know there are the exceptionally good kids out there that are suffering from this law, but I wouldn't change it.
I never realized they suspected a 17 year old was the shooter on the grassy knoll.
I am not talking about evolution, I am talking about expectations and social development.
People used to make thier mistakes in thier teenage years because they were able to make those mistakes. They learned earlier and were responsible sooner.
Today most go through the same process in thier 20s.
Consider in many states someone under 18 cannot even get a license anymore or have a similar age passenger without many months of drivers ed. In fact they still cannot drive between 11pm and 5am in California, and cannot have a passenger under 20 for over a year even after they get thier license (which took a minimum of 6 months of a permit and drivers ed courses). Why do they even get a license before 18 anymore?!
A couple generations ago the drinking age was 18 in several states, not 21 like it has become.
Firearms were both available to and used by teenagers on a regular basis.
In fact it starts even earlier. Pre-teens used to be allowed to do things that could result in injury, and required thought.
Today bicycle helmets are mandated by law many places. They cannot play with fireworks. They don't even let them play games like dodge ball and tag many places anymore because they can get hurt. If they role play cops and robbers or pretend to be soldiers etc they can be suspended because it involves pretend guns and weapons.
While children a few generations ago played with slingshots wooden swords, and BB guns, actual weapons, like they play with airsoft today.
Kids used to learn life lessons earlier, they also got hurt more.
Now they are brainwashed and protected from themselves much more.
Now they learn those lessons later in life.
In all age brackets many lessons once learned have been pushed into a later age bracket. So people learn those lessons and gain the responsibility associated with those lessons later in life now.
The result is each age bracket is on average less responsible than they used to be. That extends into the 20s. While most of the same process used to finish by the mid to late teens.
And the gun crime rate was the same as it is now.
What do you mean?
They know who it was.
We're the ones who have to speculate.
You can buy it from me every day I'm open. Any store that doesn't sell the above mentioned calibers to people under 21 should be taken to task and the local ATF should also be called.
The federal law states:
"It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile-
A) a handgun; or
B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun."
Handgun Private Sale 18
You can buy a handgun in a private sale at 18...IF possession of a handgun is legal in your home state at 18. I bought a handgun in a private sale at the age of 20 in Arkansas. Perfectly legal there and got a real clean lightly used (as in one box through it) handgun that I have been very happy with for several years now. Look in the classifieds or gunbroker...I found mine on gunbroker and the seller happened to also be in Arkansas when i was in Arkansas...we swapped numbers...met up...and made the sell. Worked out great for both of us.
It did me also. But it was 22 rifle ammo when I was under 16. Never really shot handguns until I was over 21 and could afford to buy what I wanted. But then again, I couldn't have afforded to buy a quality handgun when I was 18 or 19. Every penny went for college.
How do kids buy cigarettes or beer? They do it the same with ammo.
From a safety perspective, it is much easier to be un-safe with a handgun than a long gun.
Johnny Dollar, I actually think you could have been a lot less safe shooting groundhogs when you were young with a handgun versus a rifle. But people reach maturity at different points in their life depending on their upbringing and exposure to firearms and their use. You might have been safer at that age than most adults.
It's a circular argument. It is just the law. No other real explanation.
Where in Code is that? Cause I'd like to take a print-out of that up to the local Academy's, as they dont sell .22LR unless you're 21. The only exception is if you buy a .22LR Rifle with the ammunition. No "rifle or handgun" question, everything behind the counter is 21-only.
As to the guy who cant buy ammo for his handgun, if it is a handgun-only round, there aren't any laws against straw purchases for ammo that I know of. So if nothing else you should be able to have an over-21 friend/relative buy ammunition for you.
Because you're trying to buy the ammo from an FFL dealer. Buy it from a private party.
He was on the right track. Society in general is different now then it was in those other decades.
The lower crime rate today has more to do with the aging of the baby boomer generation. We're a nation of old farts now.
And of course I had to sneak the shotgun into the house, keep it hidden from my parents and I only got to shoot it a few times a year when my uncle took me to the range(they wouldn't let people under 21 on by themselves).
I never shot anyone till the age of 21 or after and likely never will, never felt the want or need, survived three attempted carjacking/armed robberries with nothing but my bare hands and a bad as hell attitude(figured if I was going out, I was going for Valhalla).
I don't think I would have been any different with a handgun or concealed weapon's permit.
When it comes to guns we've allowed the weak, cowardly, and unfit(unfit to be Americans) set the tone of what is right and what is wrong. The ignorant, knowing little to nothing about guns, were cowed in masse to support those who destroyed our rights and betrayed our Constitution.
Very long read but some good information.
Not totally true.
State and local laws applied per the Federal Firearms Act of 1938
You can buy or own a pistol privately at 18
1. It's in 18 USC 922(x) and there are exceptions to it, you'll need to read all of (x) for yourself, I am not going to post the whole thing here.
That is NOT the limiting factor in Federal law, however. The limiting factor is 18 USC 922(b)(1):
2. HOWEVER, the BATFE has published in their 2005 Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide on page 182:
So we know that Academy Sports is full of you-know-what, but that has already been established as fact a long time ago.
3. The same "straw purchase" statute applies to ammunition purchased from a dealer as it does to the firearm:
18 USC 922(a)(6):
HOWEVER, a 21+ person can purchase ammunition for use in a handgun for a person 20- if they don't make any false oral or written statement to the dealer. For instance, you're at Walmart with your 18+ friend and you are buying .22lr for his MKIII pistol. You ask the counter person for the box. He scans it in the register and it asks handgun or rifle. The clerk asks you handgun or rifle. You say handgun. Cash register asks ID for 21 or over. Cashier asks you for your ID. You show it to him. Sale goes through. You walk out the store. As long as you were never asked "Are you the actual purchaser of the ammunition" and as long as you never lie to the cashier, then 18 USC (a)(6) has been satisfied and the transaction is legal.
I hope this clears things up as to what the actual statutes say. And yes, we have confirmed, those stores that will not sell any ammunition that CAN be used in handguns to 20- are doing so as a matter of choice and not law. The intended USE of the ammunition by the purchaser is what is restricted by law.
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