CMV
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Just wondered today while I was at the LGS. Compared to Hodgdon they look like they're twice as big, but are still just 1lb. Any reason or just because?
Why do Alliant powders come in such large bottles?
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Waywatcher
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For sure. The neck is also narrow; too narrow for my liking. The Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester 1lb bottles are the best I've handled for ergonomics.
bluetopper
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Hey, don't gripe, they beat the old thin cardboard containers with the metal top and bottom and the tiny pull out spout all to pieces.
ReloaderFred
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It's much cheaper to only stock one size bottle, both in inventory and packaging equipment. They use the smallest bottle that will hold the bulkiest powder, and then just use it for everything.
Hope this helps.
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Arkansas Paul
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Yep. If they had to make different sized bottles to accomodate each powder to decrease the size, they would have to charge more. Then we'd have threads saying, "Why are Alliant powders so expensive?"
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CMV
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Interesting. Not a complaint - I haven't used any of their stuff yet - just an observation.
You'd think that if half their powders fit in a bottle half the current size that stocking and using 2 different sizes would cost less considering they're shipping so much air. A general rule in manufacturing is to pack into the smallest size possible to maximize carton/pallet/trailer/container space.
You'd also assume a lot of LGS wouldn't stock it or at least as much since most are tiny to begin with and tend to pack their shelves densely. If I had to choose what to stock on my shelves, I'd go with the stuff that took up half the shelf space unless my customers insisted I carry it. Of the 2 LGS near me that I use, one has it out on the shelves with everything else - they just put it on the bottom with other larger items. The other keeps it in the back but has IMR, Hodgdon, Win, & probably a few others out front where customers can see it. I would assume the 2nd shop sells more of the powders that are on display vs the stuff people have to ask for. Maybe not.
You'd think that if half their powders fit in a bottle half the current size that stocking and using 2 different sizes would cost less considering they're shipping so much air. A general rule in manufacturing is to pack into the smallest size possible to maximize carton/pallet/trailer/container space.
You'd also assume a lot of LGS wouldn't stock it or at least as much since most are tiny to begin with and tend to pack their shelves densely. If I had to choose what to stock on my shelves, I'd go with the stuff that took up half the shelf space unless my customers insisted I carry it. Of the 2 LGS near me that I use, one has it out on the shelves with everything else - they just put it on the bottom with other larger items. The other keeps it in the back but has IMR, Hodgdon, Win, & probably a few others out front where customers can see it. I would assume the 2nd shop sells more of the powders that are on display vs the stuff people have to ask for. Maybe not.
beatledog7
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Shipping charges are usually by weight rather than volume. If shipping air were an issue, the manufacturers of gunpowder would ship it compressed.
Container oversize is intentional due to DOT reg.s based on allowing the powders to not quickly go into an overpressure during a fire...better to let the material deflagrate then to hit detonation curve. Second, NFPA codes also limit the amount of powder that can be displayed based on weight, not volume. So for your safety based on two differing federal codes (laws) and add the issue of stocking differing containers, you have a one sizes fits all answer. As was previously posted, shipping is generally based on weight, not volume. It really is that simple.....
The density of Alliant powders are less than others so a pound takes up more volume. Hence the bigger bottles.
Interesting aside, IMR powders used to come in metal cans. Most of the different IMR powders were one pound in the can. 700-X was a lot less density so only half a pound came in the same size can.
I do like the Hodgdon one pound bottles but it is what it is.
Interesting aside, IMR powders used to come in metal cans. Most of the different IMR powders were one pound in the can. 700-X was a lot less density so only half a pound came in the same size can.
I do like the Hodgdon one pound bottles but it is what it is.
Black_Talon
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The corollary to this thread is: Why does only 9 ounces of Trail Boss fit into a standard size Hodgdon powder bottle?
rcmodel
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I heard they bought a manufacture at bankruptcy sale that used to make bottles for industrial strength KY Jelly.
Could be just a viscous rumor though.
rc
Could be just a viscous rumor though.
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HOWARD J
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Maybe if you call Alliant they will tell you--kinda from the horses mouth also: while you are at it---call Hornady & ask them why their new bullet box for 100 bullets is twice the size of their old bullet box.
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Seedtick
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To be the perfect match for Federal primer boxes.
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