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Why do good men do nothing?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by progunner1957, Jul 14, 2006.

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  1. progunner1957

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    Just say NO to arbitrary government and to tyranny! It's the American way!:D
     
  2. shermacman

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    Yup. And I voluntarily mailed in my 1040 last April 15. I even post at stamp on it, at my own expense. Sort of like the Chinese billing the family of the recently executed for the cost of the cartridge.:barf:
     
  3. Biker

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    Simple. We still figure we have too much to lose if we take action.
    Bread and cicuses...

    Biker
     
  4. longeyes

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    Bread and circuses--aka escapism--are one cause.

    And...

    A lifetime of anger and resentments creates a hynotized state, a brutalized consciousness. numb passivity. Too many Americans are blanks, de facto zombies. You change that by acknowledging your anger, then doing the right thing.
     
  5. mordechaianiliewicz

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    Fear. Fear is what it is about. It will continue that way until the risk to our lives and livelihoods is greater than our fear of reprissal.
     
  6. JesseJames

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    I admit I've been guilty of apathy for quite a while. But I feel like I'm coming around.
    It's funny because whenever you try to think hard on subjects and talk about them with people they look at you like you are from another planet.

    I've given up on or don't bother with the majority of the "sheep" but, I do keep an eye out for the intellectually curious who still have their wits about them. They are relatively easy to spot. It's like that kid in your school classroom that was clever and called the b.s. like he or she saw it and the teacher didn't like him or her.
    It gets worse when you enter the workforce. There's pulling for the team but then there's check your mind at the door and take your place you cog.
     
  7. Lou629

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    +1
    That's about as simple and eloquently put as you can get, and sums things up nicely for most of us. About the only thing one might add is that if and when it becomes apparent that we haven't anything else to lose, that there's a discernable sense of diminishing returns, there will probably be hell-to-pay should that day ever arrive.
     
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    "People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
     
  9. mordechaianiliewicz

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    I think it partly depends on your past, and your level of compliance right now. The U.S. government is just a little away from fascism as it currently stands. Where are you gonna be? Make your choice.
     
  10. progunner1957

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    I am currently "in compliance" but may or may not be ( :evil: ) if "The Government" ever outlaws the possession of firearms, attempts to confiscate them by force, or attempts to imprison those who will not "comply."
     
  11. James T Thomas

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    sheepdogs have fur over their eyes

    Most americans will do something 'when evil aggressively invades,' but when the invasion is surrepticious, good men do not often recognize it until the black uniforms are worn. They started out brown, with pressed shirts and ties. Singing patriotic songs. And the good was proclaimed.

    'Good' men do not recognize the wolves when they have donned sheep's clothing and are right amoung the pack. When something smells funny and the 'sheep dog' growls a little, the wolf reassures him. 'Good boy,' we're just like them. We are peaceful. We only want the good. And we, like the loyal and trustworthy guard, roll over and play dead while those lurking go about their plans.

    Not recognizing or being decieved is not fear, nor denial, or even apathy.

    People consent to what the wiley claim is a peacefull agenda, not to their own enslavement. The 'politics' of obediance? Simply intermix enough tasty and nutritous ingredients in the poisonous stew to mask the taste.
    ( Called 'riders' in the terms of legislative bills.)

    Were those awaiting arrest in old Stalinist Russia disarmed prior to the purges?
    I know the Jews -mentioned, who were reporting to the deportation centers or relocation centers were.

    You may effectively loose the franchise to vote when your representative dares to cater to special interest groups rather than their constituency, but you are only 'helpless' when you are disarmed. That is at the end of what becomes an imperial senate, and self representatives.

    The 'honorable' PA senator Arlen Specter; former Democrat, and now proclaimed Republican 'friend' not foe, has a new suit of clothing. But he smells wolf to me.

    I intend to drive this predator out of the flock the next election, no matter how white and bleating he becomes.

    Who was that wise man of the past who stated that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance?
     
  12. mordechaianiliewicz

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    +1 Mr. Thomas

    The "good folks" often don't notice what is going on until it's too late. The Bush administration's excesses in things the Republican Party railed against the Dems about is proof of that.
     
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    When that piece of garbage, Ira Einhorn, was brought back kicking and screaming from France (or was it Belgium?) after he had skipped after Specter had gotten him out on bail, I sent Arlen an e-mail which went something like this: "Since under law you are still Ira Einhorn's attorney-in-fact will you still be representing him?" The e-mail came back with the notation "Unable to Deliver."
     
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    Meh. You wanna know why "good" people do nothing?


    It's inconvenient.
     
  15. progunner1957

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    Exactly.

    The Sheeple can't be bothered with such matters - they have to work late, the kids have soccer practice, they "need" an new Volvo and a jet ski, they have to watch Survivior and American Idol.

    Bread and circuses for everybody!
     
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    We have become a nation of talk very little action, the media, public schools,
    and our government love victims not men. It can change and I believe will
    but the period between changes will be serious.
     
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    Inconvenience and apathy.....agreed

    There is also the matter of criminal/civil liability and the death of common sense.

    Be proactive and justified to shoot the bg, you are still looking at losing your liberty and your house. Its no wonder that businesses don't want firearms (to include armed security) on their premesis for fear of being dragged into a lawsuit for their not forbidding you to carry a firearm.

    Thankfully, various states have recently started passing legislation absolving people of the liabilities associated with justified defense measures.
     
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    If the people who think they have too much to lose would make a sober assessment of the world around them, they would realize they've already lost it--unless they take drastic action NOW.
     
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    So where did we (USA) go wrong? Usually there is a definable turning point
    that all events can be traced back to, it may be small but it is there. It is not
    unlike the 6 "degree" relation factors.

    Can the knowing how, when, and why help turn things around at this point or
    is an entirely new dawn upon us?

    Is it because things have become too easy? Blistered hands and sore backs
    are no longer the norm and even then there were no guarantees of success.
    Too much to lose, too fat and happy, to comfortable to rock the boat? I
    agree, that is part of it. Too scared or don't know how to react? That's part
    of it too. Thinking one stands alone and simply does not have to power to
    invoke change? Yup. Don't care, not my problem, every man for himself?
    That's the one that kills nations.

    So now what?
     
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    Lou629 Quote:
    Simple. We still figure we have too much to lose if we take action.

    Biker


    +1
    That's about as simple and eloquently put as you can get, and sums things up nicely for most of us. About the only thing one might add is that if and when it becomes apparent that we haven't anything else to lose, that there's a discernable sense of diminishing returns, there will probably be hell-to-pay should that day ever arrive.

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    What strikes me as strange, and neven mind about actually taking action, is how seemingly few people even ask questions.

    Take a quick glance at the private sector for instance. For the "free stuff" that will be rained down upon us, how much of our "personal data' do we blithly provide, and how many of us ever pause to even passingly consider to what purpose this data might be put, by whom, and or where it might ultimately end up? For instancse, you purchased some item. You have paid for it, and some teenage "sales associate", as they are often called asks for your telephone number. No argument with the clerk, they are simply doing as instructed, but what about you, the adult customer. Ever think about where this phone number goes, assuming that you provide your own number, and or to what ends it might be used?

    Of course, we could sooner or later come that other seemingly inescapable question, that being "what is your "sosch", or your "social", sometimes even your Social Security Number, as it is more properly known. I'm willing to leave that as grist for another mill, on another day, though readers might want to think on it a little.
     
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    Where did the USA go wrong?

    One could argue that the same reasons that Israel fell out of favor with God.....disregarding His will.

    Another argument could be that Mayberry v. Madison started the ball rolling of this decline. Certainly 10A (the enumerated constitutional powers amendment) should have prohibited SCOTUS from grabbing this power.

    But I choose to believe that the people are responsible for not correcting our government's deviation from COTUS. We went wrong a long time ago and continue to go wrong everytime we choose not to throw the government out and bring the original meanings of COTUS back for the sake of our country.
     
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    Partly true, Biker, but I think it's more accurate to say we don't have enough to gain.

    If people really believe in what they are fighting for, they will sacrifice their fortunes, their reputations, and even their own lives for the cause. Even we must admit that RKBA is not, by itself, a big enough issue to seriously fight for. Neither is a little spying on American citizens, a relatively small tax, etc. We in this forum recognize these, especially RKBA, as preludes to bigger things, so we are willing to fight - politically and non-violently - early. If and when the issues get bigger - suppression of free speech, revocation of due process, siezure of property, midnight arrests, etc. - people will step up and resist. It'll just be harder then.
     
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    Because good people are busy doing constructive work. Political activity is a cost to them.

    Political activity to a political parasite is their ecological niche, not a cost.
     
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    I suppose the First Amendment, "by itself," isn't a big enough issue to seriously fight for either. I disagree. If we understood, fully, what we are sacrificing and where our compromises are eventually leading us, I think we would realize it IS "big enough."
     
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