Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by SilentStalker, Jun 20, 2012.
I dont know what to tell you about that bud.
. I'm really itching for a new lightweight carbine right now, and DD makes some of the best ARs on the market. If you want to feel an amazingly well-balanced gun, try a KAC SR-25. INCREDIBLE.
I had one of those HBAR Bushies for awhile. It ran quite well but it was a heavy SOB up front! Those HBAR barrels don't have any significant accuracy benefit since they aren't necessarily cut to better tolerances. The HBAR may have a slight advantage when both barrels get hot, but for carbines who cares?
Did you weigh it yourself because DD claims it weighs 6.5 lbs. Their rail is light but i know that gun isn't lighter than a stock Colt 6720 with plastic handguards.
Can't comment on the exact weight, but Plastic Hand guards are usually heavier or as heavy as a quality Aluminum rail.
Well, i'm not sure about carbine length vs carbine length but i don't think midlength aluminum will be lighter than carbine plastic.
"Lighter, Stronger, Better"
Stock Double heat shield handguards are 9.3 oz.
Midlength Plastic Handguards run around 12 oz.
A carbine Length Omega X rail is 9.5 oz.
A Mid length Omega X is 11.7 oz
So going to a middy Omega x gains you less than 2.5 oz.
Just for comparison a 13" Troy Alpha rail is 11.4 oz. There is a reason they are my new preference.
OOoooooohhh... THAT'S why it feels like a toy!
Plastic hand guards as heavy as a aluminum rail???? Are you using lead heat shields? A plastic single heat shield M4 hand guard weights under 3oz, about ten grams under depending on maker.
You need to calibrate your scale. Double heat shield M4 hand guards are under 5oz.
Most lower's today are marked Multi Cal. Look at the end of the barrel, in front of the gas block, it should be marked with chamber size and twist rate.
Now add the cap and detla ring weight also too. All in all the aluminum FF rails do end up being lighter.
9.1 here. Unless you are calling Paul from BCM a liar.
The argument that aluminum rails are as light as plastic is invalid IMHO.
I had a Del-Ton HBAR 16" middy upper on my Doublestar lower for a while. The muzzle heavy balance was exaggerated by the light CAR 6-position adjustable stock. IMHO, the balance was all wrong. Sure, it was a bit more stable when shooting off hand for maximum accuracy. But that really isn't the point of a 16" carbine, at least in my opinion. Since then I swapped the HBAR upper for a pencil barrel BCM 16" mid length upper and it completely transformed the feel and balance. The only other carbine I've held that balances better for me is my M-1.
Actually, the buffer still goes "twang".
Thats a new one on me. I am using those 1960's 20 rd mags today. They all function great and I actually prefer them
Opinion without data is irrelevant.
I hate to tell you, but those weights do include the mounting hardware. For instance here is the M4 rail with barrel nut and ring.
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