Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by JackaL618, Jul 4, 2020.
I agree. Thats why the Rem Tac-14 and Mossberg Shockwave are so popular IMO. Much shorter but same capacity as say a Maverick 88 with 18" barrel. If I can find a Shockwave for a decent price I.m getting one. I just have to decide 12 or 20ga, Would be much lighter and compact than my H&R Protector with 16 rounds on board.
I'd like to try one out to. Need to look in to law on putting a brace in one.
However, I use one of my AR15's for home defense. I have no neighbors. Way more advantages with an AR15 over a shotgun.
I wouldn't do a brace on it myself, the grip angle is pretty wrong for that
I can remember running gun battles in paintball, and usually he who used cover best, and got lucky first, won. BUT, pumpers were always at a disadvantage when engaged directly by someone with a semi, especially at the higher skill levels.
Now obviously not analogous, but the base diference is volume of fire and ease of use. A single solid hit from either player ends the exchange.
Answer is, I don't know. Getting hit with a load of 00 buck is whole different ball game than getting hit with a dab of paint so I don't compare the two. All I can tell you is that if the bad guy comes to my home I'm going to do the best I can to protect my family and myself. It won't be like any game I've played before.
True that, and a great deal of what I THINK i would do in a such a situation is likely to fall by the wayside.
These guns are one of those really good examples to find a rental of if possible. Many love them of course but, I am sure a lot of them are going to be bought and then sold or set aside never used. The 12Ga even with reduced power loads is quite the gun. Many are not going to like it much.
I would be more concerned with 00 Buck over penetrating than 5.56 which tumbled on contact.
But all in all a 3” 00 buck is a fight stopper like no other at hallway distances.
I think it boils down to there are a lot of gun owners, and a majority of them get their reality of a gun fight from contemporary media. ARs are in the limelight with our military, police, and movies; so naturally those low information gun owners swoon after them.
As for me I gave you my thoughts in my first sentence it gives the most flexibility to my needs given the rural setting I’m in.
I live in a condo. I'm 70 and my wife is 71. We defend our home with handguns (38 Special) and shotguns (20ga). With arthritis, and the infirmities of age recoil control is very important. Additionally, I have had both shoulders replaced. Regarding a shotgun, a 20ga works far better for us than a 12ga. I can consistently kill deer at 30-40 yards with #2 & #3 Buckshot so I know that self-defense at home with our 20ga shotguns will not be a problem.
I feel for those of us that are "long in the tooth" the 20ga is a very viable option. YMMV.
I will say for those of you who have not done this- try it- put up a man size target at 20 feet and shoot it with #4 buck out of a shotgun.....
Devastating for sure!!!!!
I would try #4 buck out of my shotgun. "IF" I could find any. Have not seen any buck in my town in over two weeks.
Bought a case of it from Outdoor limited.com two weeks ago....
I live in the burbs. Ain't gonna be any running gun battles and my state says the castle doctrine ends once they are out the door. So all I would be looking to do is clear the hallway. I rarely shoot an AR, but I hunt with a shotgun like 30 or 40 days a year and instinctively shoot moving targets without having to consciously think about the mechanics of it. So if I am not grabbing a bedside pistol, a shotgun is what I would be reaching for just out of familiarity. If you shoot an AR a lot, I can completely understand why you would prefer one.
So not disagreeing, and this certainly isnt a situation i think is actually likely. What was running thru my head was that the targets identified, and either immediately retreats then re-engages from a more opportune location, or immediately opens up with a semi.
In either case If you hit your first shot, your at an advantage, if not done right there, but if you miss at the very least you have to pump and fire again, where as if the other guys armed with a full, or extended capacity carbine, he can either retreat or advance under his own cover fire. Worse if there are two attackers.
If running a traditional semi shotty, then capacity will be exhausted first and youll have to reload while still taking fire.
Again in the very unlikely event of having to use a home defense weapon, it seems extremely unlikely to be involved in a situation like that..... and its certainly not a situation I have enough knowledge to really flesh out in my head.
I just kind made me wonder, and again this is mostly based on trying to dig defenders out of fairly good cover, and defending against attackers from cover, but in the context of a game. Admittedly ive mostly eliminated, and been eliminated at touching range, which also seem extremely unlikely for a defensive encounter....actually the more i think about it, the more holes i poke in my theory.
You can go through all the scenarios. Bottom line is you can't plan for and be prepared for every one. All you can do is prepare yourself the best way you know how. And Hope it never happens.
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