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Why Fear an Armed Public?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by TracySaboe, Apr 16, 2005.

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  1. TracySaboe

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    Larkin Rose, avid Gun rights supporter and Tax Honesty person recounts his encounter with the IRS here.

    http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=3705&goto=nextnewest

    He now has a message he'd like everybody to see About the IRS Being Caught Cheating. Well it turns out that while sticking its nose in everyone else's business, the IRS has been less than honest itself. More specifically, the IRS has been caught cheating...
    to the tune of about a trillion dollars a year.

    The IRS is quite experienced at using intimidation, demonization, and harassment tactics, as evidenced in his above story, but what can be done when the "enforcers" are the ones breaking the rules? Click below to see how he is standing up to the IRS.

    http://www.861.info/message.html

    Sincerely,

    Tracy
     
  2. Bear Gulch

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    It is easier (and more sensible) to fear an armed public than an unarmed one.
    If you are a Tyrant, that is.
     
  3. Parallax

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    An armed public might be able to defend their rights! :what:
     
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    Tracy - welcome.

    I think this is better fitting to Legal & Political with the subject matter, so have moved it over.
     
  5. Joejojoba111

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    Along those lines, is it true that if you die and you owe the IRS, the burden + interest falls on your family?

    Also, I heard that a new law has been passed making it illegal to declare bankruptcy. Well, if you have millions of dollars in off-shore accounts and big mansions those you can keep, but if you just own a corner store and Walmart drives you out of business you can't declare bankruptcy anymore. IE you arrange a payment schedule with some credit-card company with their 2 digit interst, for the rest of your life.

    And I doubt they would let you leave the country if you owed them money, and today the have the technology to stop you! LOL.
     
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    Tyrants and socialists fear us with good reason.
     
  7. Parallax

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    At a local gun store they have a quote supposedly said by Sarah Brady. Something like "our socialist goals with never be realized as long as those that oppose us are disarmed" :what: Anyone know if she actually said that? It wouldn't surprised me, I just thought it was strange that I've never seen that quote anywhere else...
     
  8. Art Eatman

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    joejojoba, you need to read the daily papers more often: The change in the bankruptcy laws is to make it more difficult for those who run up big credit card charges to file Chapter 7 and walk. The downside is that there is no easing of the new requirements for those who are in financial trouble due to such things as very large medical bills.

    Any tax debt of an individual ends with his estate settlement. You're not liable for whatever your father did wrong, whether intentional or unintentional. It might be possible for some post-settlement discovery, with IRS hollering, "Give it back!" SFAIK, that's a rare event...

    But the subject at hand is the attitude of the IRS agents at the time of the search. It is quite similar to various reported BATF searches. The Lawmaster incident, for example...

    Stipulating the accuracy of Mr. Rose's recall of agents' comments, I'm startled at the lack of knowledge of the laws concerning firearms. However, it's little different from the folks who produce some of the cop shows for TV.

    Art
     
  9. Joejojoba111

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    Good to know. I think you just said the same thing I did, though. You stay in debt to the credit card company for ever, wife has cancer? So sad. Employer moved to India? Breaking our hearts. Unexpected funeral expenses? Look, I'm holding he world's smallest violin. Couple other questions then:

    Are the IRS the largest federal agency, bar none? I heard they have more people than CIA or FBI or anyon.

    Have anyone the suicide rates of people undergoing audits by the IRS? And compared them to normal people? I heard audits cause a lot of suicides. (but I also heard the debt stays in the family if the dad commits suicide, so I'm not sure now.)
     
  10. MajMikeW

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    bankruptcy

    A new bankruptcy law was passed that makes it harder to file certain types of bankruptcy that completely absolve you of debt. Now most folks will be forced to file a type which requires them to pay back more of their debt than ever before, although still on an extended pmt plan.

    The credit companies pushed this through Congress, too bad they weren't held accountable for the massive overextension of credit they keep sending to folks. I probably get 3-5 new card/home equity offers a month, I just cut them up to prevent ID theft.

    MajMike
     
  11. DesertEagle613

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    I hate to be a wet blanket, but it makes no practical difference what the tax law actually says. If enough people start making noise about it, the government will simply amend the law as necessary. The only reason they haven't already is because they don't want the embarrassment.

    They have expenses. They want our money to pay them. 'Nuff said.

    Would I prefer that they actually amend the law? Of course. But is it worth having good men destroy their lives over? I'm not sure.
     
  12. TracySaboe

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    Yes, I think we all understand that government never follows it's own laws, and it will simply change the laws if too many people make a big stink about the government acting illegally.

    I think the point here though, is to get enough people enraged about this that they demand it's repeal and that the tax code doesn't just get ammendmend but out-right abolished. And not replaced with anything. It's really not that impractical. I read a stat recently that If the IRS, and Income tax was completely abolished, government would only shrink to about later Clinton years. So I think it could happen.

    Sorry, for posting in the wrong forrum. I couldn't find the right one.

    Tracy
     
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    Parallax, that doesn't sound like something she would have said. Grabbing guns, yeah, but it doesn't seem that she is a socialist.

    Maybe Feinstein?
     
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    More plausible that it is just another made up quote. Similar things have been said by nearly all the big names in Marxism though, so there is no shortage of quotes with which to confuse it.
     
  15. TracySaboe

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    Perhaps I should clarify a few things.

    If you go to my site, you'll find I'm a guy, or a boy person.

    I'm actually a fairly radical libertarian and am very pro-gun.

    My point was that exactly that. The only reason government has to fear an armed public is because it's doing things that make people want to shoot them. The entire reason for the 2nd ammendment is to give our liberty teeth.

    I'm also a member of the Free State Project

    Tracy
     
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    Welcome to The High Road. Good discussion, and thank you for the link.
     
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    OK, I have to ask... how does one acquire "unexpected funeral expenses"? Someone dies, the body is immediately whisked away, buried for $25,000 and the family is presented with a bill?

    I do not understand expensive funerals, especially if the amount of money spent is going to be a hardship on the living family members. When I'm dead, what do I care happens to the meat I leave behind? Cremate me, toss my corpse in a hole, let anatomy students go to town... who cares? I would come back to haunt anyone who spent tens of thousands on some ridiculous ritual, especially if that put them in debt.
     
  18. TracySaboe

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    IRS Caught Cheating

    Hi Dustind,

    Do I know you from the FSP boards or anything?

    Larkin Rose, to my knowledge, is also a Free State Project member, so he's coming to New Hampshire (and of course all the FSP members hate taxes as well).

    There were actually 2 bills in the NH House regarding the income tax last year. I hope they get resurected.

    One Established a committee to study the constitutionality of the federal income tax and constitutional abuses in the collection of the income tax and its effects on New Hampshire citizens.

    http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2004/HB1193.html

    The other would have nullified the Sixteenth amendment to the United States Constitution.
    http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2004/HB1245.html

    Nullifying the income tax -- or the IRS' misapplication of the laws (Which-ever you want to believe) is already in the consciousness of NH residents and law-makers. With the Free State Project, (and Larkin Rose amoung them.) I believe it's very possible that in a few years New Hampshire could become a bit of a haven from the Income Tax.

    Anyway,

    Tracy Saboe
     
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