Coronach said:
By that same logic, you don't need a manual safety on a tweaked, competition 1911 trigger, either. If Glocks and revolvers are safe for Condition 0, so is a 1911.
Agreed and agreed. You do NOT need a manual safety on a 1911.
Now, if you went out and had a 1911 built without a manual safety, you might well be inviting legal woes--but that's a whole nutter kettle fish and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. What is unsafe and what is legally a bad idea are two entirely different standards.
Also, not needing a manual safety and not using a manual safety are two entirely different things. If the gun has a safety, then you should dang well use it, practice swiping it on when holstering and off when presenting. Otherwise, if you don't practice swiping it off, some danged little gremlin will switch it on while you're sleeping, and when you need it most, your fingerprints will be embedded in the trigger but the gun won't go boom. That's a bad thing.
To restate, no, I do not see where 1911s need a manual safety. Let's see how far outta context this one can be taken.
Coronach said:
Somewhere between light competition triggers on a semi-auto and the DA pull of a revolver there is a point, and on one side of the point it is a really good idea to have a manual safety
Good idea on the basis of what?
Legal liability? If the gun has been built, shipped, tested used under the most extreme conditions (read about the Miami PD's testing of the Glock), and is in use by PDs everywhere, who can realistically and convincingly make the case that Glocks are a legal timebomb?
Coronach said:
I do not think Glocks are unsafe. They are, however, unforgiving of unsafe practices.
I see this as perception, not reality. There's not a huge dataset of NDs with lots of detail (at least not that I know of) in which we could find patterns.
At first glance, it could appear that Frontsight has had an inordinate number of NDs in the last 7.5, almost 8, years.
http://www.frontsight.com/SafetyReports.asp?Action=ShowSingle&ID=5
I daresay that if the number of students trained were compared to FAS, LFI, Gunsite, et al. in the same period of time one would have to conclude that these were statistical anomalies.
In any event, 5 incidents, 2 with SIGs, 2 with 1911s, 1 with a Glock. The culprits are Rule 2, Rule 3 and unsafe equipment combos.
Coronach said:
That is not the gun's fault.
In that we very much agree. It's never the gun's fault no matter what it's pedigree.