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Discussion in 'Legal' started by Fire-4-Effect, Aug 24, 2008.

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  1. Fire-4-Effect

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  2. RobNDenver

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    They are not nailing him to the wall because there were Democrats present, they are nailing him to the wall, because he entered a hotel full of politicians and police, carrying guns. The same thing would happen if he did that in St. Paul when the RNC is meeting there.

    We are doing our best to get the anti AWB plank removed from the Democratic Platform, and now some dumb sh(&(& forgets himself and tries this? I don't care if he may legally possess these guns, it is inordinately stupid to been this situationally unaware. Mr. Calanchini may not be able to afford to go hunting after he pays for his defense to these charges. As an academy instructor once told me. . . Criminals can often beat the rap, but they won't beat the ride. . . In today's security at any cost to freedom world, this guy is going to pay for his lack of awareness.

    And the cops evacuated Speaker of the House Pelosi while they took this box full of rocks into custody? They really ought to get over themselves.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10292177
     
  3. Cosmoline

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    So it's illegal to carry a cased and unloaded firearm in Denver?

    ?? So if it's legal, what exactly is the problem? It's either illegal or it isn't.
     
  4. ants

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    We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion.

    I want to believe that he was an innocent man, travelling to Denver to pick up his guns from a gunsmith. And he carried them safely locked in a hard case, just like you and me.

    But I can't draw that conclusion until we have more facts.

    We can neither defend nor condemn the man without facts
     
  5. Telperion

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    Forgot himself? Situationally unaware? ***? If it's legal to carry cased rifles around, then it's legal.

    If that's all there is to this, then I hope Mr. Calanchini gets to afford many hunting trips, courtesy of you and the other taxpayers of Denver.
     
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    Did they have a sign posting "no guns - too many politicians around"? He's in town on business - may not have been aware who was staying at that hotel. God forbid someone should exercise his God-given rights protected by the 2A!
     
  7. El Tejon

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    And what charges would those be, Officer?:confused:

    Perhaps you can cite the Colorado statute that he is alleged to have violated?
     
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    Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. If its all ok i hope the guy gets out of this ok.
     
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    Is it legal or illegal to carry a cased gun into a hotel in Denver?

    If it is legal, but subject to restrictions, were those guns being transported in a legal manner -- obeying any appropriate rules about type of case and lock required?

    If the answer to both of these questions is "yes", then I don't think its the gun owner who is going to be in trouble over the long run.
     
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    If no law was broken, what penal code section was cited for the arrest? Can the LEO's actually arrest you for something that wasn't illegal? Surely the DA won't further this fiasco and as a last defense, what judge would take the case?

    This makes my blood boil.
     
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    "Unlawful carrying of a weapon." I really want to see the statute on that one.

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  12. Leanwolf

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    There is very little real information about this incident. But.............

    I don't know the firearms laws of Colo., nor of Denver. Given that I also don't know the Colo. F&G hunting regs, is it possible that there is a hunting season using firearms now open in Colo., and the guy was either going to a hunting area, or coming from one, and was staying overnight in the Denver hotel????

    If so, why would he leave his firearms in his vehicle so the average parking lot bandit could steal his firearms?

    I've traveled in many States for hunting purposes, and have NEVER left a firearm(s) in my vehicle when staying overnight in either a motel or hotel.

    It would seem to me to be the ultimate stupidity to leave your guns in the vehicle while overnighting in motels/hotels.

    Perhaps the guy did not know that the Great Queen, Her Royal Highness Nancy Pelosi and her court had comandeered the hotel. (??)

    Again, not much information on this incident.

    L.W.
     
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    When politicians are in town, the WHOLE Constitution gets thrown out, not just parts.
     
  14. gbran

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    Leanwolf

    I read another article on this. Apparently he had brought the rifle to a gunsmith for scoping and other work for the upcoming season.
     
  15. RobNDenver

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    You missed what I said. He may never be convicted of anything, but he sure as heck is going to pay to defend himself. Denver is a home rule city and has its own laws on Carrying Weapons. It is the only city in the state with an Assault Weapons Ban and an ordinance that you cannot possess a "Saturday Night Special". . . A District Court in Denver (of course) has ruled that they don't conflict with the Colorado Revised Statutes. . . .

    My point is that in today's world traveler's are all terror suspects, and law abiding gun owners are no different to these "security personnel" than assassins. I would be much more concerned with the comment from the Secret Service spokesman who said that this guy was arrested for "Unlawfully Carrying a Weapon".

    You seem to think that I agreed with this arrest. . . That is not the case but it doesn't really matter in the end. The cops will pat themselves on the back for interdicting this dangerous threat, the Speaker and everyone she talks to will nod vigorously about dangerous guns, some with telescopic sights, and the media will play this story into whatever they want. All because Mr. Brighteyes thought that it would be OK to haul his legally owned firearms into the lobby of a Convention hotel.
     
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    Right now, I'd guess that the majority of Denver hotels/motels are filled with convention goers. Do we ban legal carrying of weapons citywide until they leave?
     
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    The only one that might be referenced.

    18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

    (1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:

    (a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or

    (b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

    (c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.

    (d) (Deleted 1993.)

    (2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:

    (a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or

    (b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

    (c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or

    (d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or

    (e) (Deleted 2003.)

    (f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
     
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    Most likely it will be hard to find out how all this pans out. If he was "arrested" and it turns out was technically not doing anything illegal, I really doubt we'll hear about it from the press.
     
  19. scottgun

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    Denver is in a state or military occupation right now. Any citizen caught doing anything that might comprise the security of the DNC convention will be arrested and/or removed, whether it's legal or not.
     
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    Haven't seen a thing on the main news channels - not even Drudge!
     
  22. wally

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    I once got stopped on the freeway ramp with a car load of guns and ammo on my way to the range for one of Pres. George H. W. Bush's motorcade rolling blockaid.

    Couldn't help but think, boy this sure would ruin my day if one of the SS black SUV guys looked inside my car.

    --wally.
     
  23. FourTeeFive

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    But can the Secret Service preempt our Constitutional rights?

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CONVENTION_SECURITY

     
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    A little more:
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    KUSA - A Wyoming hunter who accidentally caused a security concern at the Grand Hyatt hotel Saturday says he's sorry for the problems he caused and didn't know the Democratic National Convention was in town.
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    When Joseph Calanchini walked into the Grand Hyatt hotel with 2 rifles and 2 pistols Saturday around 4:00 pm, Denver Police evacuated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) from the hotel until they arrested Calanchini and made sure it was safe for Pelosi to return.

    "I didn't even know the DNC was in town. I don't watch the news," said Joseph Calanchini from the Denver City Jail where he's being held on bond. "If I had known, I would have done things differently. It was a simple mistake."

    Calanchini, who talked to 9Wants to Know from the Denver City Jail, says he had the weapons because he's getting ready to go on a hunting safari trip in Limpopo Basin, South Africa on August 28. He planned to hunt warthog, impala, baboon and jackals with a friend there.

    He says he had just picked up his rifles from the Sportsman's Warehouse and had them in a locked gun case when he checked in at the Grand Hyatt. The clerk checking him in noticed the rifle case and called security.

    "I'm amazed. It's not like they were illegal weapons, they were all registered to me," said Calanchini. "It was bad timing."

    Police say Calanchini had permits for the rifles, but did not have concealed permits to carry two pistols that were found in his luggage. Calanchini says he forgot they were in there.

    He was charged with unlawfully carry weapons, a misdemeanor. Calanchini is being held on $10,000 bond at the Denver City Jail.

    "I didn't mean to cause any problems," said Calanchini. "I'm sorry, it was not intentional."

    Calanchini, who is registered as an independent, says he doesn't know who he's going to vote for yet.

    "Would this affect my choice as a candidate? No. There's more important issues than this," said Calanchini.

    The 29-year-old man from Pinedale, Wyoming, has never been arrested before. He says he's hunted for several years in places like Canada, California and Wyoming. He planned the safari to South Africa with a friend in June.

    He says the U.S. Secret Service interviewed him for an hour and a half on Saturday to make sure he's not a threat.

    "They know I'm not trying to do anything," he said.

    Calanchini, who sells drilling tools across Colorado and Wyoming, said he is a frequent guest at the Grand Hyatt.

    But the Grand Hyatt General Manager said he was not a registered guest at the hotel.

    "We don't know why he was walking through our hotel," said General Manager Ed Bucholtz.

    After police searched and towed Calanchini's car, they allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) back into the hotel.

    "The speaker was never in any danger. And she appreciates the quick and professional response of the police," said Brendon Daly, Pelosi spokesman.
     
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    You need a concealed weapons permit to carry pistols in your luggage? Are they rewriting the laws as they go along?
     
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