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Discussion in 'Legal' started by Fire-4-Effect, Aug 24, 2008.

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  1. AntiqueCollector

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    I'm not going to give up my rights voluntarily because there are a bunch of anti politicians around. There is no legitimate reason for doing so.
     
  2. ShunZu

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    Umm... can't carry a pocket knife in Denver???
     
  3. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Frankly, that is *THE* most ignorant string of nonsensical statements I have EVER seen written on the internet, and that is saying something. One at a time:

    No they are nailing him precisely because there are a bunch of Democrats in town - are you saying he would not have been "nailed" without the Democrats in town? I believe that you believe that. If so, then the presence of the Democrats is precisely the difference.

    No, not necessarily. The police in St. Paul may actually have enough self-respect to ya know, FOLLOW THE LAW.

    Forgets himself? What makes you think he even KNOWS there is politically stuff going on? He may not give a whit about politics, as is his prerogative. He may not even own a TV or a computer. Do you think there's a law which says that he must follow politics?

    Say what? OK, I don't care if you may legally drive. You should be arrested for murder the next time you drive, and prosecuted for murder. That makes about as much sense - prosecution for a crime not committed. Either it's legal. Or it's not. Did they pass a special law suspending ordinary rights for a few days while the Dems are in town? If they didn't, then ain't nothing different.

    Actually he be able to afford a better guided hunting trip than you could ever dream of after he rightfully sues their butts and recovers under a section 1983 claim, for violating his rights under color of law.

    As mentioned, he's probably going to get reimbursed quite well for have his rights run over roughshed as is acceptable in your fascist dreamworld.

    I submit that this guy was not the "box of rocks"; rather, that label could be applied to the person who thinks that we should live under martial law in violation of the Constitution just because some political party is having a pow wow. Absolutely amazingly naive and nonsensical attitude. :mad:
     
  4. jaholder1971

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    Denver at one time had a nuisance ordinance that prohibited the carry of any firearm in your vehicle. Since it was a nuisance ordinance they would also seize the gun and vehicle and go for forfeiture despite the disposition of the case.

    It was thrown out as unconstitutional, it's the (deleted 2003) in section 18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons posted earlier. That hasn't stopped Denver from being the most antigun city in the midwest.
     
  5. Aguila Blanca

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    Probably.

    They arrested him. They have to come up with some cover story to justify it.
     
  6. DaveBeal

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    Elsewhere in CO law, "knife" is defined as having a blade of more than 3.5 inches.

    And for those of you asking whether a gun in luggage is considered concealed in Colorado, see post #34. It is not.
     
  7. Kim

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    What do they mean by he had "permits" for the rifles. Does WY require this. I bet not. Neither CO I bet. What are they jabbering about???
     
  8. Gray Peterson

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    I think they mean hunting licenses.
     
  9. FourTeeFive

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    Maybe the SS is just trying to get the public used to the concept.

    What's all the fuhrer about?

    :what:
     
  10. denfoote

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    I've already contacted the NRA and SAF about pro bono defense for this guy.
     
  11. Dookie

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    It can be considered concealed if it is loaded.
    If it is strapped to your back and unseen it a concealed firearm, loaded or not. If it is in your luggage and loaded it is considered a concealed firearm, not loaded then just luggage.
    A handgun with a detachable magazine is loaded when the magazine is inserted into the handgun (granted the magazine itself is actually loaded).
     
  12. wuchak

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    Why the hell did the guy apologize!

    The NRA had better step to the plate on this one and help this guy.
     
  13. Speer

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    :rolleyes:

    Seriously. The whole thing is a chilling read.
     
  14. outerlimit

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    No, it's simply because this country doesn't have a 2nd Amendment.
     
  15. jughead2

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    been through denver twice in my life. guess that hell hole will be the next place i delete from my few travels.
     
  16. skoro

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    I hope that young fella is let loose soon and sent on his way, no worse for the wear. Obviously, he wasn't a threat and had no ill intentions.

    But the Secret Service guys were just doing what they do. At convention time, a hotel with 90 caliber politician guests is surely going to be pretty carefully patrolled. Does the phrase "condition yellow" sound familiar to anyone? Referring to an awareness of your situation, especially when away from home. Calanchini should have had some idea that there was a major event scheduled for Denver, and that carrying rifles into the lobby of a swank hotel might not be a wise move. I'd bet that the desk clerks had been instructed specifically to call attention to "suspicious" characters, like those carrying gun cases. ;)

    If Cal had just invested a couple of minutes to glance at the news headlines or pick up a local newspaper, he'd probably have chosen to go up the road a few miles to avoid all the crowds and save himself the hassle he now faces.

    We all have to remind ourselves at times to make a check outside our own skins and get an update on what's happening with the rest of the world. Calanchini may not be guilty of a crime. I don't know enough to speculate. But he's guilty of a dangerous level of cluelessness.
     
  17. berettaprofessor

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    FourTeeFive: "What's all the fuhrer about?"

    Nice pun! LMAOROF.
     
  18. TexasRifleman

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    Which is still not a crime yet he's in jail for it.
     
  19. eflatminor

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    I suspect it was because the suitcase was not locked

    I don't know CO or Denver laws, but in California, he might have gotten nailed because the suitcase was not locked...and it would not matter if the pistol was loaded or not. In CA, I know you can't travel in your car with a pistol unless it's in a locked case or in the trunk. I'm not 100% sure how it works when walking down the street (or in a hotel) but I always have my pistols locked up when leaving the house.

    If CO requires a pistol to be in a locked case anytime it's outside of your home, they may have this guy. He should have had them locked up so when security questioned him about the rifle case, he could have told them to go spit. If they arrested them even with the pistols locked, he could have looked forward to a nice lawsuit.

    I DYING to here from an expert as to whether those pistols needed to be locked up. Either way, this guy doesn't seem like the type to fight the injustice. He seems to just want to make it go away.
     
  20. FourTeeFive

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    I'm REALLY hoping the guy has a printout of his confirmed reservation at the hotel. Since a clerk was "checking him in" it sounds like Mr. Manager is trying to distance himself from the situation (formerly known as lying).

    So our rights get suspended because some self-important people come to town? I never saw that part of the Constitutional Amendment.
     
  21. SSN Vet

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    I hate to tell you the sobering truth my friend.....but if you ever voted for a Democrat, you voted to kiss you 2nd ammendment rights goodbye. Doesn't matter what that individual says or does....they are part of a team that is anti at it's very core.

    Edited to add...

    No Democrat will ever get my vote.

    The city of Colorado will never see a dime of my money.
     
  22. jim147

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    I wonder did they use the legal rifles as probable cause to search his bags?
    Charges may be dropped. He may get a settlement out of this.
    The real problem is that "We the people" pay either way. We are the ones either having our rights violated or the ones paying the taxes that pay the lawsuit.
     
  23. rondog

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    I have to wonder why this guy was checking into one of the MOST expensive hotels in Denver, when their rates are the highest they've ever been, just for this stupid convention. Just the cost of the room alone should have driven him away screaming, if his intent was truly harmless.

    I live in a Denver suburb, and work in downtown Denver. I'll be damn glad when this freak show is over and they're all gone. Colorado gun laws are quite good overall, it's just the City Of Denver that's got the stupid ones.

    Carrying a loaded handgun in your car for s/d is legal in CO, permit or not, but not in Denver. A loaded rifle or shotgun is OK in CO too, but not with a round in the chamber.

    He must make a pretty good living to be able to afford top-shelf hotels and African safaris.
     
  24. DaveBeal

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    Not according to Colorado law. See post #34.

    CO law does not require this, although it is illegal to carry a loaded long gun in a motor vehicle. Carrying a loaded handgun in a vehicle for personal defense is explicitly allowed.
     
  25. hkOrion

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    Clarification - a LOADED long gun means a round in the chamber. Long guns can have a full magazine in the vehicle as long as there isn't a round chambered. AFAIK this is a Division of Wildlife regulation (hunting requirement), not state law.
     
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