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Why is it refered to as a .308 bolt face?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by R.W.Dale, Dec 25, 2007.

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  1. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

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    Just a bit of a rant, I've been looking into Savage's target actions and I keep reading about how they're avalible in either .223 or 308 sized bolt faces. I feel this is shortchanges some really great cartridges that are all but forgotten. We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them. From here on out I'm going to refer to a .473" bolt face as being a 7.65 Mauser sized bolt head:evil:


    RANT OFF!
     
  2. skinewmexico

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    They probably just say that because of the Savage F/TRs. I like to use .473 myself.
     
  3. BigG

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    How is that .473" different from 45 ACP or 30/06?
     
  4. highorder

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    what cartridges are you thinking of as shortchanged? .532" belted/non-belted mags? the .35 Rem @.460"?... bigger?

    the list of cartridges based on the .378 and .473 rim diameter is extensive.

    more correctly, .473 is the Mauser boltface, as you said.
     
  5. Walkalong

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    Sure it does. :evil:

    That is exactly the reason they do it. They figure we know which ones they are. :)
     
  6. cracked butt

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    A lot of americans think the .308 (7.62 nato) is the end-all be-all of American cartridge development- but it only took 60 years to make a cartridge that simply a rehash of the 7.65 mauser and even closer to the .308 the 7.5 French MAS.:D
     
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    Yes, it does. It is all about us!
     
  8. mule157

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    he wants a 308 hes just to shy to buy one.
     
  9. tjj

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    We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them.

    You mean.......there's a universe around us?? I thought there is just the .308.
     
  10. cracked butt

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    All of the facts that can be attributed to Chuck Norris can also be attributed to the .308 :D
     
  11. CB900F

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    Krochus;

    Ignore them. The .308 is nothing more than a military commitee's rehash of one of the obscure Savage proprietary rounds; whichever one it was. Since the military took it up, of course it became popular with civilians, which has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good thing. Consider the fact that the military then dropped it as the caliber of choice for the infantry rifle.

    As a further comment on military commitees, there is the AR platform too.

    Matter of fact, the .473 casehead diameter originated with the 8 X 57 Mauser, adopted by the German military in 1888. And it's that cartridge that provided the basis for our .30-06.

    The .308's one of those things that people use to prove that the state of our civilization is steadily going downhill. Network T.V.'s another, but I digress.

    Now then, is there a .308 fan I missed? Raise your hand, I'll be glad to single you out for individual attention. Snrk!

    900F
     
  12. ants

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    Didn't the first .473" case head appear in the 7.62 Mauser in 1889? Then the 7x57 Mauser in 1892. The 8mm Mauser didn't come until 1905, then the .30-'06 the next year.
     
  13. cracked butt

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    The 8x57mm was first chambered int he commission-88 rifle. The 8mm standardized in 1905 was the 8x57JS which had a slightly bigger diameter and was a spitzer bullet.
     
  14. cracked butt

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    The claim is that its based on the 300 Savage, but in all reality its dimensions are closer to the 7.5 MAS. The goobermint admitting that they took from a French design for military application just would not do. I mean could you imagine what would happen to the egos all M1a/M14 owners that their favorite cartridge mirrored a european design and not a good old American-Applepie-jackedupChevywithdualexhaust type cartridge?:eek:




    Yes I own a .308, but I don't think its the greatest shizzle nizzle out there.
     
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    Thanks for helping with the history, Cracked Butt. I like that screen name. I believe I have a few myself.

    I often hear a neophyte refer to 'legendary accuracy' in the 308, but this would appear to be the result of continued development over 4 decades.
     
  16. Jim Watson

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    Savage don't make many 8mms.
    So they call it a .308 bolt face.
     
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    I've always called it the .30-06 case head.
     
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