Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AJC1, Sep 12, 2021.
I keep seeing even bigger like the saum and the rum. I'm waiting for the shoulder fired 105.
A .300WM can mimic a .308win or 30-06, but not the other way around. It actually is a very versatile cartridge and has proven to be very accurate.
As long as the bullets impact game animals fast enough to get bullet expansion no animal will ever know the difference. A 308 will do that at 400-500 yards, the 30-06 about 100 yards farther down range and the 300 WM will add about 200 yards of useful range to 308. I'm not good enough to make shots at game at ranges farther than my 308 will work. Yea, a 300 WM shoots flatter, but that is easily compensated for with modern optics and range finders. Not a factor at all.
At ranges inside of 400 yards the extra speed of the 300 WM offers no advantage, and could be a disadvantage. Bullets are designed to expand within a range of impact speeds. Too slow and they don't expand at all, too fast and they over expand and don't penetrate enough.
Of the 300 magnums I've owned the 300 WSM is the one I'd choose if going back to a magnum cartridge. It shoots the same bullets as 300 WM about 50 fps slower, but with recoil that splits the difference between 30-06 and 300 WM. And does it in more compact rifles that have proven more accurate.
I'll wager it's no more accurate than any other cartridge and due to the recoil impulse is less accurate for most shooters. Pick any 10 shooters and I'll hand them a 6br and a 300wn for a string of 50 shots.
6.5 Creed! made all the magnums obsolete
Well sure, for a fifty shot string give me a 6.5. Unless I'm doing a seat or ladder test, my 300wm rarely gets shot more than 12 times if zeroing, usually 6 or less. It usually only gets shot once when hunting.
Are you suggesting the 300wm is inherently more accurate than a br just tougher to shoot ?
And the average elk hunter is shooting 50 shot strings.....why exactly?
It's not generally used as a TGT cartridge (at least not for mid-range), it has however been used as a sniper round and long distance match cartridge however. Usually the cartridges picked for those purposes successfully have some inherent accuracy capabilities.
Your initial post asked why .300WM VS a .308 and I think it's been answered. Whether ort not you can accept other's rationale is sort of a personal thing.
As an aside, that EGO thing seems to work both ways; from "I can handle the largest magnum, to all I need to hunt deer is a .22 Hornet". Like most things the truth is somewhere in between.
If you were into long range target shooting the popularity and success for the .300 Win Mag would be no surprise. Like the .300 H&H Mag before it, the .300 WM has a long career if success in 1000 yd events like the Wimbledon Cup match at US Nats. Here are a couple .300's I've had considerable success with, including qualifying for the Wimbledon shoot off more than once. At top is built on Shilen DGA action with Shilen barrel and Dunlap style stock by Jim Cloward. At bottom is Prre-64 M-70 action Douglas barrels, and Fajen stock, which has won or placed well n several 1000 yd tournaments. The .300 WM also remains the caliber to beat in long range benchrest competitions.
What's it used for? That's basically asking what would you need more gun than a 308 for. But unlike all the 7mm'ish deer rounds out with overlapping performance, the 300WM really is more gun.
However, I learned a long time ago that just because I'm not capable of squeezing all the benefit out of something, doesn't mean others aren't.
Not if the "308" you're talking about is a 308 Norma Magnum.
And vice-versa for that matter.
Hey everyone needs a couple "what if guns". I have a 444 marlin for the purpose of hunting black bear. I have shot exactly one black bear in my life and don't really have any intention of ever going hunting for one again, but at least I'm prepared. I have another rifle and scope combo all set to go on a western elk hunt even though I have no particular intention of going on one. I have always wanted to get a CRF 338 win mag or 375 ruger to be my "Alaska gun", however family responsibilities and other hobbies have made the chance of me ever going increasingly remote. That won't stop me from getting the rifle and day dreaming however.
That makes sense but there is zero chance those guys are shooting Walmart ammunition. The genesis of this train of thought was in the Walmart ammo isle where 350 legend and 300wm were sitting on the shelf and nothing else. And sadly in that case 300wm is clearly the best choice. There are always unaccounted for factors and strangely availability seems to win a lot of arguments. Cant shoot what you cant get... win 300wm.
I would agree with this. The anecdotal Mossberg I mentioned earlier was producing no where close to the groups I shot.
And, we were both using factory ammo that day, though mine was Precision Hunter and his was Winchester . A combination of cheap ammo, cheap gun, and/or lack of skill can render any cartridge inferior to others as far as accuraccy.
But there is still no denying the bullet drop and stability at long distances with 300wm will not be equalled by any 308win or 30-06.
that was last year.......
The first Kimber Mountain Ascent I handled (used, in my LGS) was in .300WM. I distinctly recall the skeletonized extractor. I've held nerf guns that weighed more.
I like recoil as much as the next knucklehead, but that was a terror to contemplate.
Plus it will blow right through plate steel at 200 yards.
That’s kinda like mentioning a Honda Civic has a tighter turning radius and gets getter gas mileage than a top fuel dragster...
I’m absolutely unwilling to send a 105grn bullet out of 6BR 700 yards after an elk, or frankly, even a whitetail. Doesn’t really matter how soft it shoots for high round count groups, sometimes we need more horsepower.
How many guys have 300wm and never have a shot over 250.... having a dragster to get groceries is not exactly efficient or cheap.
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