Why isn't the 7mm-08 more popular?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Newtosavage, Dec 16, 2017.

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  1. 1stmarine

    1stmarine Member

    Nov 29, 2010
    On the road again
    You probably know this but during the Army trials prior to WWII the army discovered they didn't like the Pedersen rifle and loved the M1 Garand but
    they pretty much preferred the 7mm Rederson round. So the original Garand was going to be a 7mm (.276 Pedersen) rifle until they received
    a "recommendation" letter from the Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur suggesting the use of the .30-06 cartridge for logistical reasons.
    That is how the got into the 30 caliber for the Main infantry rifle and the 308 pretty much followed as a shorter, lither and more effective version of the 30-06.
    We know how good all those calibers are but the thing is, the 7mm projectiles produce more return on investment thanks to the better ballistics
    of equivalent projectile sizes. They are also "wide" enough to integrate different terminal designs including tracers, AP, AP/IN and lead-free with improved
    trajectories but w/o sacrificing momentum and terminal effectiveness for any role.
    They can also translate into lighter rifles, easier to shoot and more accurate (happier shooters).

    I doubt Remington would do anything to properly market and sell great calibers we have out there. It takes companies with vision and great sales and marketing teams like
    hornady, lapua, etc... to deliver a good marketing strategy and specially follow through to the end.

    Remington, like many others, follow the spaghetti approach, toss it to the wall and see if it sticks. They are responsible for abandoning great initiatives
    before they even got started like the original 6.8SPC that had to be fixed by enthusiasts, hunters and other companies like AR15Performance, Wilson Combat, Federal, etc.. and make it the amazing hunting 6.8SPCII caliber we have today.
    They also drooped the ball on the 30RAR and made horrible choices with the assortment, case, bolt size, they pretty much ruined the marlin Quality, and the list goes on and on...
    If I was the CEO of that group I would take those marketing 'Einsteins' and show them the door and then hire young creative and energetic people.
    I know they have great engineers and loyal dedicated workers so if they just pulled their heads out of their derrieres that would be amazing.

    In today's world of internet and marketing one can take a turd caliber, wrap it in some tacticool package and sell it like donuts. We have seen that too.
    At the same time we have amazing calibers and a few wildcats with so much potential but not many know about them and to be honestly the
    average guy is not going to study ballistics. People want something that is cool, current, fashionable, that works well and is plentiful and with an uninterrupted supply
    of ammo and rifles for all tastes and budgets.

    I know markets are competitive and things are hard since Obama Firearms Salesmas of the century retired but what some companies are doing in terms of
    catalog, quality and service feels almost as if they do not have a clue of what is going on. You see innovation but 90% if powerpointware and the ones that
    are truly innovators are not enough and too far apart.

    Thanks God the bullet and powders makers stay ahead and gives us new bullets and powders for all bores and we have amazing dies, presses and rifle
    actions to work with.
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  2. Gtscotty

    Gtscotty Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    I've actually thought about buying a 7mm-08 Tikka expressly for the purpose of having it reamed to .280 or .280ai as well. I have read multiple times on the interwebs that a regular .280 reamer won't clean up a 7mm-08 chamber, and that you'd have to go to the ai version to fully punch it out. I haven't bothered to do any math with the chamber diagrams to verify though...

    I also like the idea of reaming a 7mm-08 out to .284 Win to run 160's a bit faster for elk and whatnot, but the terrible case availability for .284 has scared me away. The only .284 Win cases I see online are Normas, on sale at Bullets.com for the low-low price of $180/100, at that price it becomes hard for me to dodge the fact that I could just get a .280, .280 ai, or even (gasp) a .30-06, kill elk just as well and never have to put another thought towards case availability. The .284 is a neat case design, and could have been quite good not crammed in a short action, but component availability does count for something, and it seems as though the .284's day (if you want to call it that) has pretty well passed.

    Edit: On the topic of the 150gr ABLRs, I'd read that the whole line tended to be pretty soft on close range hits... which is the kind I find my way to most often. For that reason I had sort of written them off for elk. Has anyone here killed anything big with them? If so, did they hold together and penetrate fairly well? The 150s do seem like they'd be a good bullet for the 7mm-08 if they penetrate well.
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  3. horsey300

    horsey300 Member

    Sep 3, 2016
    @LoonWulf referenced the ablrs on cows:
    And as for .284 brass, why not neck up and fireform the 6.5 Norma? To my knowledge the real difference between the wildcat and the Norma was the wildcat throats weren't standardized but cases should be fine....

    ETA @LoonWulf "enabler" is an upgrade from what I'm usually called, around the house I answer to instigator. ;)
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  4. Robert

    Robert Administrator Staff Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Texan by birth, in Colorado cause I hate humidity
    This has drifted far enough.
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