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Why KAHR handguns are 'better' than a Glock in many ways

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by glockarmourer40517, May 16, 2007.

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  1. glockarmourer40517

    glockarmourer40517 member

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    saying from the getgo, that i own a mountain of glocks.....and only recommend all-metal KAHRs (yes, theyre heavy).

    ....AND that i utterly despise the POLYMER KAHR guns due to excessive reports of poor design of the frame....AND that a few parts in Polymer KAHR guns are GLUED into the frame...yes glued.......
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    KAHR ARMS is a very small company thats generally unknown, and unheard of,.......having worked in 2 gunshops, i can say that most gun shops do NOT carry KAHR guns.... just the way it is.

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    PLUS? fewer parts than a GLOCK....yes, even MORE simplex

    PLUS? low bore axis like a glock is.....ie little muzzle flip

    PLUS? Single-stack 9mm and 40SW micro-guns, ...something which Glock does NOT have in its product line (but should..the darn fools!)

    PLUS? Patented Staggered Barrel Locking Lug make little recoil out of KAHRs

    PLUS? ungodly accurate for their size.

    PLUS? Patented extractor makes non-extraction a near impossibility

    MINUS? .....heavy,.......relatively expensive
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    Everyone who owns a MICRO KAHR (MK9 or MK40) says the same thing, "wow, i cant believe the accuracy out of this little gun, A-MAZING".....heard this dozens of times...

    i will never carry a 9mm for self-defense, however, yes, the KAHR all-metal guns are heavy little suckers, but carry a K40 in pocket holster.
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    KAHR PATENTS::::>
    five patents were received on the Kahr pistol design. The most important of the patents is the Staggered Barrel Locking Lug

    The second patent made it possible to attach the trigger bar to the trigger with minimum use of space.

    The third patent covers the Striker Activation System of the pistol. The use of the "cocking cam" to both actuate the striker and deactivate the safety gives Kahr pistols a uniquely smooth and consistent double-action trigger pull.

    The fourth patent explains a method of an Inertia Fired Striker. This patent is less critical in that there are a number of methods explained in the art of how to achieve this function.

    The fifth patent is related to Kahr's unique extractor design. The extractor's uniqueness is that its pivoting motion is limited in one direction to make "failures to extract" a near impossibility. (I BELIEVE THE MOST IMPORTANT PATENT).
     
  2. 270Win

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    Maybe someone can confirm this; but "gunshop talk" has it that Kahr can't be sold in Maryland because the company refuses to provide a fired bullet/shell casing/whatever, as per the crazy laws here.
     
  3. wad

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    I have a very early all steel K9, the version with the electroless nickel plating. Though I agree that they are great pistols, the impossibility happened on mine...it failed to extract, when the extractor broke:uhoh: . In fairness though, the gun has many thousands of rounds put through it.
     
  4. tostada

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    Kahr has a very different market than Glock, though, so it's odd comparing them. If you're going to, the only major advantage of the Kahr is size (crazy that the smallest Glocks are still as fat as the biggest ones). But price, weight, and durability certainly aren't in favor of Kahrs. Don't you have to replace the recoil spring very regularly on a Kahr, and the whole gun isn't really intended t fire that many rounds?

    I think if you're going to compare Kahr to something, it should be similarly sized guns like Kel-Tec, Skyy & Rohrbaugh.
     
  5. BADUNAME13

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    Kahr DOES provide a fired case with each gun.

    They suck, the 'customer service' sucks, their 'gunsmiths' suck, and their warrenty sucks.

    POS all around.

    I am no fan of Glocks (carry a 1911) but I'll take a Glock over a Kahr ANY DAY!
     
  6. Geister

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    I haven't heard good things about the Kahr's trigger pull, but I've never fired one. Can someone enlighten me?
     
  7. BADUNAME13

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    Extra long, bad revolver with a LOOONG reset.

    Feel it, it's hard to describe.
     
  8. Sistema1927

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    Kahr is one of those brands that folks either love or hate. I have quit arguing with the nay sayers, but continue to pocket carry a PM9 everyday.

    I also own Glocks, and there is a place for both (and for all other makes).
     
  9. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Two gunshops is not a very good sample size. Especially since I see them in most shops I frequent, which is more than 2. They are pretty common around here.
     
  10. RNB65

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    I love my P9. I realize that the frame is a bit fragile and can't stand up to heavy use, but that's OK with me. I didn't buy it to be a range gun. It's an ideal lightweight carry gun that can be easily carried IWB, OWB, or in a kydex pocket holster. I feel plenty safe carrying 8rds of 9mm +P JHP. I take it to the range every couple of months and shoot 25 or so rounds thru it to stay familiar with the sight picture and the long, smooth trigger.

    I had some FTF issues when it was new that required a trip back to Kahr. But it has fired reliably since Kahr returned it. I occasionally have failures to go fully into battery when dropping the slide from the open position, but a quick tap on the back of the slide closes it. When firing, it cycles perfectly every time with either ball or HP ammo.

    I've thought about getting a G26 as a backup, but I like the P9 so much I really don't see the point of getting a Glock as it would just become another range gun.
     
  11. Tecolote

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    Sorry, but I just don't like them. The ones I've tried had very snappy felt recoil and they were unreliable. To each his own.
     
  12. glockarmourer40517

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    theres no doubt that a glock would outlive a karn in rounds fired...i dont really doubt that at all...in fact im sure of it.

    yes, ive worked in 2 gunshops....but been in 100s, .....suffice to say, many dont carry a kahr.

    *****You are right on polymer KAHR,...id never own one in 1000 years. theyre no darn good..........

    Kahr cust service, out of 10 calls to 10 calls to glock.....was 3 to 1 BETTER than glocks service.

    kahr was falling over itself to send me free stuff........ on mention of a small pit on my barrel...they didnt ask for the old one, or to SEE IT, but sent me a new barrel no questions.

    Yes, Glock is doing itself disservice by not making a single stack 9mm and/or 40

    they couldnt before because of import points...but now that GLOCK is making guns in Georgia (frame only), they CAN make a single stack micro gun.

    glock is insane 100% crazy for not making a micro 9mm to date...im sure they will however.

    broken Kahr extractor? ....ehh, so what, ive had 3 broken extractors on my glock , a hunk missing out of the claw....no big deal.

    Kahr does have a more positive and voilent (reliable) extraction over a glock, however.

    Kahr IS a more simple design than a glock, fewer parts as well.

    Kahr trigger has smoother breakover than a factory glock......however i know how to soften both. no big deal.
     
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    for the love of god stop these ridiculous threads glock vs kahr no one cares because there are hundreds of these people will shoot what they want to shoot people will carry what they want to carry and people like me will still continue to post this
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    Any firearm with a "break-in" period gives me the willies.
     
  15. Geister

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    I definately won't pay $500+ for one. I looked at one last year but I just don't like DAO, except maybe as a back-up.

    With a good belt and holster you don't really need a Kahr although sometimes a pocket gun does have its uses.
     
  16. TC-TX

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    LOVE the Kahr P-Series! I carry the P40 and the PM40 for CCW and Duty. Incredibly reliable (100%) and Scarry Accurate!
     
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    Isn't that ALL of them?
     
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    I'm not overly fond of either, but both are very good guns. The choice has to be made by what suits the individual shooter.
     
  19. Oleg Volk

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    Glock cannot import smaller guns due to GCA 1968.
     
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    The triggers are great... for their purpose. Personally, I don't want to carry a SA gun as my concealed carry weapon. The trigger pull is VERY smooth and nice... just a little long though. Definitely the best DAO trigger out there IMO. Obviously they make it like that on purpose to discourage an accidental discharge. Perfect trigger for carry purposes.

    As far as reliability goes, the polymer framed Kahrs don't have much room to brag about reliability out of the box on average, but if you get a good one or get yours running (if its a lemon out of the box) you should be in the clear from then on. I'd carry a Kahr over a Glock any day of the week because of its incredible accuracy/size ratio. I would, however, choose to shoot a Glock over a Kahr at the range. There just isn't a gun that is built as perfectly for carry. They are so thin, light, accurate, and small overall that nothing can touch them when it comes to concealed carry. Sure a pocket gun like a KT is more concealable, but I like to carry something that feels and shoots like a real gun. As far as i know, KT has just as many reliability issues as Kahr does... plus the triggers SUCK and I can't hit crap with them.

    To each their own.
     
  21. 270Win

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    Then I stand corrected. I know there is SOME company, though, that won't do it. Kahr must have come up in the same conversation.
     
  22. legion3

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    Simply too expensive for what you get
     
  23. Geister

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    I'm the opposite. In a self-defense situation I don't want to mess with a heavy, rough trigger. I want a smooth, consistent trigger that's not too heavy.

    I don't really want a trigger that's so heavy it prevents AD because the way I see it, I keep my finger off of the trigger until I'm ready to shoot.

    That said, I wouldn't want a trigger lighter than a Glock without a safety.
     
  24. Ala Dan

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    Right now, we are just gett'in to stocking a few Kahr's. I have on hand
    at this time, a few CW9's and more CW40's. I have a CW9 for my very
    own use; and I find it too be a great little CCW piece, weighing only
    18.5 ozs unloaded. ;) :D
     
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    Correct. IIRC the G26 makes the bare minimum number of points to be imported. However, Glock has started making some G17's in the US, so if they wanted to make non-importable models they already have production facilities here.
     
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