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Why no hardcasts for 45acp?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by capitolpeak, Aug 15, 2007.

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  1. capitolpeak

    capitolpeak Member

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    Why doesnt DT or BB (or anyone for that matter) make a HC round for the 45acp? DT makes one for the .40 and the 10mm but no .45. This vexes me. The applications for this would be outstanding. I figure there has to be a scientific explanation. Anyone know?
     
  2. Canuck-IL

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    No idea who DT and BB are but I and a lot of other Bullseye shooters use nothing but hardcast lead from at least 12 vendors that I or local club members have personally used.

    The rest of the BE community use either home cast or swaged.
    /Bryan
     
  3. capitolpeak

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    sorry DT= double tap..BB= buffalo bore....... so your saying there are 45acp hardcasts preloaded that you can buy?
     
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    Capitol...my bad - you want loaded cartridges and I was referring to bullets only.

    Georgia Arms sells some loaded lead in 200 and 230
    http://www.georgia-arms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3212&Page=2

    NSKSales.com has target (Bullseye) loads and, I believe, regular lead loadings but he needs a call these days as the prices are bouncing around too much for a regular posting.

    Finally, I think Precision Delta offers a very few lead loadings...mostly FMJ for IPSC shooters... http://www.precisiondelta.com/
    /B
     
  6. capitolpeak

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    thanks...georgia-arms seems to offer a LSWC. I wonder if its hardcast.......
     
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    Pretty sure they would be hardcast - much of the BE community is always looking for swaged and since Star left the scene, only Zero and some Precision loads have been mentioned as available. Note that Precision and Precision Delta are separate companies.
    /B
     
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    Hard cast bullets have two advantages; they stand up to high pressures and velocities better, and most "hard" alloys fill out moulds better. The low-velocity, low pressure .45 ACP actually does better with alloys softer than those commercial bullet casters offer.
     
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    well my application is woods protection. I dont want any expansion. If I continue to carry the xd in the backcountry I want the lil energy it does have to do something. I might give them a call and see what those are.
     
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    Hard cast is not required at the low pressure and velocity of a .45 ACP and may actually cause leading.
    The pressures are not high enough to make a hard cast bullet obturate properly and blow by can be the result.
    Hard is not always the correct answer.
     
  12. Kilgor

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    Brickeyee,

    A gas check solves that.
     
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    Just to expound on what brickeye was saying, if the bullet does not properly obdurate (the rear end expands), it doesn't seal the bore. If it doesn't seal the bore, hot gas blows by. When the hot gas blows by, it melts the lead, and even vaporizes it. This molten/vaporized lead then deposits in the barrel. That is the problem with hard cast bullets in low-pressure calibers.

    Here is a good explanation, and a great place to buy lead bullets for reloading.

    http://www.missouribullet.com/technical.html
     
  14. Kilgor

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    Uh huh... and to expound on what I said.

    GAS CHECK
     
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    qualityammo.com sells great 200gr., SWC 45 ammo. That's all I've bought for a couple of years now. Very accurate.

    I've promised myself to start reloading now however!
     
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    If you want no expansion and full penetration, why not just use ball?

    For woodland critters, I personally like to load 230-grain FMJ-SWCs available from Magtech.
     
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