Why not more pump action rifles/historically?

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Just for the heck of it I checked the 760/7400 prices on GB last night (Nostalgia for the one that got away??). Holy crap are the prices of the older Rem pump guns up there!
WHAT??? Are these guys serious? Several hundred $:s for one, and they're actually being bought? It isn't long when I was offered a slightly worn but functioning 742 for free (I declined); on this side of the pond nice 7400:s go for €300-ish ($340) and pristine 750:s with a quality scopes can be picked up for around $500.

Wow. And I thought I was an anomaly for having a soft spot for Remington 7X0(0):s. It seems I'm not alone anymore. :confused:
 
WHAT??? Are these guys serious? Several hundred $:s for one, and they're actually being bought? It isn't long when I was offered a slightly worn but functioning 742 for free (I declined); on this side of the pond nice 7400:s go for €300-ish ($340) and pristine 750:s with a quality scopes can be picked up for around $500.

Wow. And I thought I was an anomaly for having a soft spot for Remington 7X0(0):s. It seems I'm not alone anymore. :confused:

I have walked past a great many of them for $200-$300 in the past. Gun prices are very high right now in the US for political and economic reasons.
 
WHAT??? Are these guys serious? Several hundred $:s for one, and they're actually being bought? It isn't long when I was offered a slightly worn but functioning 742 for free (I declined); on this side of the pond nice 7400:s go for €300-ish ($340) and pristine 750:s with a quality scopes can be picked up for around $500.

Wow. And I thought I was an anomaly for having a soft spot for Remington 7X0(0):s. It seems I'm not alone anymore. :confused:

A year ago, you could buy them, all day, every day for $350-$450

I SHOULD have been stockpiling.
 
The secondary market on them seems a bit regional also. Here in MN they fetch high end prices and are still quite common in the deer woods. Until recently, they were more common than bolts, and have always been more common than semis judging by the folks I meet on public lands. If you see one in a gun shop, they don't stay long
 
While I, like many others, have owned and used an 870 for years, the use of a pump rifle never interested me. While I’m a lefty, the crossover from empties never bothered me, it’s just that I saw the760/7600 as a solution to a nonexistent problem.
I would suspect that I may have a different opinion if my home state or others around me where I hunt restricted the use of semi auto rifles as some eastern states do.
On another point, I find it very strange that Remington for many years offered and sold kits to convert 740/7400 to 760/7600 guns.
 
If you were to let me create my perfect Alaskan Guide Gun, it'd be a Stainless, straight synthetic stock, Remington 7600 with a 20" barrel in 338 Federal. For me a pump is much faster on the follow up than a lever.
 
While I, like many others, have owned and used an 870 for years, the use of a pump rifle never interested me. While I’m a lefty, the crossover from empties never bothered me, it’s just that I saw the760/7600 as a solution to a nonexistent problem.
I would suspect that I may have a different opinion if my home state or others around me where I hunt restricted the use of semi auto rifles as some eastern states do.
On another point, I find it very strange that Remington for many years offered and sold kits to convert 740/7400 to 760/7600 guns.

that’s interesting, I never knew that
 
Howdy

Is this discussion only about Centerfire rifles or does it include Rimfires too?

When I was a kid, if you went to a shooting gallery at a county fair, the rifle you shot was most likely Winchester Model 1890. John Browning patented it in 1887, but it did not go into production until 1890, hence the name.
The Model 1890 was chambered for 22 Short, 22 Long, 22 Long Rifle, or 22 W.R.F. Because of the feed system, the Model 1890 could not feed Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifles interchangeably the way later 22 Rimfire rifles could. The Model 1890 was chambered for each specific cartridge, and that was all it could feed. 24" Octagon barrels were standard.

This one is chambered for 22 Long Rifle.

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This one is chambered for 22 Long.

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And this one is chambered for 22 Short.

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The greatest number of Model 1890s were chambered for 22 Short. Next was 22 W.R.F., then 22 Long, and finally, the least common chambering was 22 Long Rifle.

Winchester experimented with chambering the Model 1890 mechanism for the old standby WCF 'pistol length' cartridges; 32-20, 38-40, and 44-40, but while the action was plenty strong for a 22 Rimfire, it was not strong enough for the larger cartridges.

The reason is the 1890 action was only locked in battery by a small triangular shaped lug on one side of the bolt. The firing pin return spring kept the lug in the rear position where it engaged a recess milled into the frame. This little lug was attached to the firing pin. It may even have been part of the firing pin, I don't recall. There was only one lug and it was only on one side. When the hammer fell and struck the firing pin, it shoved the little lug forward, freeing it from the recess in the frame. This allowed the slide to be pushed back, cocking the hammer and cycling the action for the next shot.

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The large lug on the front of the bolt dropped down into the open area of the frame as seen in this photo, but in fact, the action was unlocked when the rifle fired. None of this was of much concern with 22 Rimfire cartridges, but it was not good enough for 32-20, 38-40, or 44-40.The three years between Browning patenting the action and Winchester actually producing the rifle were taken up with experiments to chamber the action for the more powerful cartridge. That never happened with the 1890 action.

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In 1906 Winchester introduced the Model 1906, or '06 as it was popularly known. The Model '06 was a less expensive rifle than the Model 1890. Other wood than walnut was used on the Model '06, I believe it may be birch. Barrels were 20" long and they were all round.

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Most important of all, the feed system of the Model '06 was redesigned so it could feed 22 Shorts, 22 Longs, or 22 Long Rifle interchangeably.

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As an aside, that Model '06 belonged to my Dad. One day he told his dad that he wanted a 22 target rifle. My grandfather commuted into New York City every day, and one day he went into the big Abercrombie and Fitch store on Madison Avenue. This was long before Abercrombie and Fitch became a yuppie clothing store. The store had an entire floor devoted to guns and there was a shooting range in the basement. So Pop bought the little Model '06 and gave it to my Dad. They set up a little target range in the basement of the house they were living in. Although my granfather was an avid fisherman he did not know anything about guns. I don't think my dad had the heart to tell Pop that the little gallery rifle was not what he wanted.

Here is a photo of my Dad shooting the little Model '06 on the shore of Lake Katahdin in Maine in 1931. Dad has been gone for t long time now. Needless to say, his little Model '06 is one of my most treasured possessions.

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In 1931 Winchester introduced the Model 61 to compete with other manufacturer's hammerless 22 Rimfire rifles. Experiments were conducted with the Model 61 action for larger caliber cartridges, but they were never produced.

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While I, like many others, have owned and used an 870 for years, the use of a pump rifle never interested me. While I’m a lefty, the crossover from empties never bothered me, it’s just that I saw the760/7600 as a solution to a nonexistent problem.
I would suspect that I may have a different opinion if my home state or others around me where I hunt restricted the use of semi auto rifles as some eastern states do.
On another point, I find it very strange that Remington for many years offered and sold kits to convert 740/7400 to 760/7600 guns.
I don't recall factory kits but I know there was some factory deal. Anyway a gun shop in Minnesota, Allmans In Watertown I think did a brisk business in converting 740, 742, and 7400 Remingtons in pumps. Abused semiautos would jam and the only way to fix them was to convert them to pumps. If you don't think pumps are fast you should see my son-in-law work one. He is really fast with a pump.
 
Abused semiautos would jam and the only way to fix them was to convert them to pumps.
740:s and 742:s chew through their bolt rails and jam, courtesy of the multi-lug bolt head and shoddy engineering. 7400:s and 750:s seem to fare much better.

Now that the Fourth Reich called EU has mandated a bunch of red tape on centerfire semi autos, including a burden of proof that you use your licensed firearm regularly for activities the license was issued for (you can lose your license & ALL your guns regardless, if you fail to submit proof for even ONE semi auto, at the discretion of your local police), there might be a newfound demand for converting these guns to pumps.
 
i still use my pump rifles along with my left hand rifles.
 

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Browning Pump Rifle (BPR) was and Krieghoff Semprio still is available in .300WM, among others, so there's nothing inherently prohibitive in pump action against magnum calibers.

Personally I'm quite fond of my Remington 7600 for a number of reasons but I can also understand why pump action has never gained more popularity. Artificial regulations aside, they don't offer anything semi auto doesn't and if some of the red tape didn't exist in places I hunt at least occasionally (Hungary, Spain, some countries in Africa), I'd have chosen 7400 or 750 instead.

Especially in driven wild boar hunts having rapid multiple follow-up shot capability legally is an advantage. The 7600 in .35 Whelen ticks all boxes to make that happen.

Can you show me a link/pic or proof that Browning ever made a pump centerfire rifle? Thanks, Always willing to learn.
 
Main reasons the pump rifle isn't more popular:

1) The lever action won the west.

2) The bolt action won WWI.

3) The semi auto won WWII.

4) Did you ever see John Wayne toting a pump rifle?
 
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