Why not Rohrbaugh?

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This thread seems to have been pounded into the ground by now.

Why not Rohrbaugh? ... Price. Take it or leave it.
 
Yes, you are right Big John ... But ...

this is what this thread is all about isn't it. Your opinion , too. No hard feelings just opinions about"Why not Rohrbaugh"? You can not have it just your way.
 
My opinion is not stupid Big John...

Just because I do not see it your way. If someone wants one , that is their choice regardless of whether I like the gun or not. I accept that . Apparently you can not accept other peoples opnion if it does not meet your criteria and does not agree with "YOUR" opnion. I thought that this is what "THE HIGH ROAD " was all about.. Sharing ideas and OPINIONS , even when they are different from our own.
 
I happily accept other people's opinions. The way you phrase yours, however, comes off as preachy and unflexible. Say you don't think Rohrbaugh's are worth the money. Stating in such a way that leaves no room for others to have their feelings on the matter is what rankles people.

Peace.
 
Why not??? Because of their price :uhoh:

I personally asked someone that once and he said here have a look see and handed me his little 9mm pocket-pal :rolleyes:

I must admit it felt very nice and the trigger on his was ... like butter :cool:

And it better too for what they cost :cuss:

But unless I win the lotto anytime soon ... I an't got the moolah for one of those or a Bentley so it's the PF9 and a Ford Taurus or such for me :neener:
 
I happily accept other people's opinions.

No you don't. For your own reasons, you called snooperman's opinion "stupid". Though you made an effort to explain why calling snooperman "stupid" was apparently appropriate for you because you became "rankled", name-calling on THR is never appropriate. So please save the tripe about being respectful toward other peoples' opinions until your actions match your words.
 
It felt nice in my pocket too :p

I'd like to try one on the range someday and boot some boolits at some paper :D

Cuz ... At least I can afford the boolits and paper targets :rolleyes:
 
No you don't. For your own reasons, you called snooperman's opinion "stupid". Though you made an effort to explain why calling snooperman "stupid" was apparently appropriate for you because you became "rankled", name-calling on THR is never appropriate. So please save the tripe about being respectful toward other peoples' opinions until your actions match your words.
Sorry dude, you don't know me and aren't qualified to make that judgement, especially based on the one post you have read. Anyone with a clue would know that. Force-feeding anyone an opinion is stupid, whether or not you agree. I was not the only one irked by his, and your, catch-all comments. Don't like the gun? Don't buy it. But don't tell others what it is or isn't based on your obviously biased view. Both you and SM have made some pretty bold statements in the absence of, IMO, facts. You seem to be a pretty defensive guy.

Kirk out. :)
 
You are the defensive guy, Big John..

Swampwolf said it right. We all have a right to be critical about the guns being discussed on this forum and I admit that we all have our biases. But that is a part of what we should be doing. Sharing our opinions, Which are... well..Biases. Getting personal and calling people stupid is a bit much, regardless of our biases. This is "THE HIGH ROAD"... not the low road here. We all have a right to express our opinions , however different they may be without personal attacks or verbal intimidation. The gentleman that asked the question.."WHY NOT ROHRBAUGH"? is receiving opinions and yes biases from all of us, including YOU.
 
In August 2004.. THE GUN Test magazine gave a..

very negative rating on the R9 and their comments, to say the least , were not too good. They said .. DO NOT BUY THIS GUN" ..the R9... They said the Kahr PM9 was the better gun and much cheaper. Hence my opinion has been shaped , in large part by gun writers and gun dealers that I know. I wanted to buy one but after much research, I found it not to be worth the price. I think that this thread has been a good discussions on the merits of this firearm and perhaps will cause one to investigate it further before paying that much money for one. And that, is what it should be about.
 
It isn't anything special. Maybe when it first came out it was, like seacamps 12-14 years ago. But not now. There are a boatload of choice in that price range and in that size that have more rounds, more caliber selections, and are as light or close to it as to not make a difference. I would prefer to have my taurus slim in 40 caliber personally, and that's a relativelly inexpensive gun. But it has 7 rounds of 40 with a better trigger. Or any lightweight 45, for a few ozs more, or a 9 like the solo for $400 less. the time has come and gone that made that pricy gun worth the extra dollars, as the seacamps etc. Unless it sees through walls I don't see the the sense.
 
All of this reminds me of the old joke about the kid who always takes the nickel from his uncle because it's bigger than the other choice he's given - a dime. He does it over and over and just won't learn the true value.

Someone asked the kid why he always took the nickel when the dime was twice as valuable. He answered, "As soon as I take the dime, the game is over."
 
"In August 2004.. THE GUN Test magazine gave a.. "

Oh dear. That old thing? Okay, I'm off to find Mr. Rohrbaugh's response...

Meanwhile, I'll summarize... Rohrbaugh sent you the exact same gun (documented by the serial number in the published pictures) that worked perfectly for other magazine reviewers and you whined about only getting one magazine?
 
Okay, I'm lazy, here's my post from 2/11/11...

www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=569320

"The August 2004 issue of Gun Tests..."

Was a joke, and it wasn't a funny one. They bungled it from start to finish.

Here is Eric Rohrbaugh's letter to Gun Tests. He lists 10 points, so it takes 3 posts to get it all.

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.c...num=1091220026

Shall I hit some of the high points?

"Yet, the R9S you reviewed was sent to you from the factory as a testing and evaluation piece. I should know, since I am the one who sent it to you. Subsequently, you returned the piece after your evaluation. Nowhere, at any time did you purchase the firearm. I would think, since your reputation is such that you purchase firearms, you would have had a disclaimer in the article that you did not purchase the piece and clarify your position. Since you did not purchase this piece, you were sent one magazine. "

"the pistol that was tested, by GUN TESTS, was the exact same one, Serial #R170 (see photos in the American Handgunner and the photo in GT,) that was tested approximately a month prior, by AH, and then sent to you. Ironically they seemed to have a different opinion of the function, accuracy and reliability. I might also point out that Serial #R170 was also tested by Massad Ayoob approximately one week ago at a workshop in Long Island, after you returned it to our factory. His opinion regarding the accuracy and reliability did not seem to match yours. "

"Research by actual R9 owners, (see the RohrbaughForum.com and www.TheHighRoad.org for results) has shown that HIGH QUALITY ammunition has been flawless."

"Our rifling is a 1:16 right hand twist - a standard for 9mm in the industry. Funny, this was also listed in the owner’s manual. Ironically, Roy Huntington and Mickey Fowler did not seem to have an issue, and consistently shot 2½-inch groups at 25 yards. I personally witnessed Mr. Ayoob place 6 headshots at 10 yards into a regulation IPSC target that could be covered by a silver dollar. Now this was the same gun in all tests, and Mr. Ayoob’s test was the gun that you returned. Imagine, the exact same gun fired by different hands - different results."
"Fact 9: The hammer is not flush. It resides in a recessed area at the back of the slide to prevent slam fire and cover drop-testing requirements. Ours was tested to 12 feet without incident. The trigger activates the hammer to bring it out of its chamber. "

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Gun Tests really fouled up their R9 review. They didn't even buy the gun. JT
 
"Or any lightweight 45, for a few ozs more"

What's few, three? Less than a half dozen?

I'll take a 16 oz .45; my R9 weighs 12.8 ounces. A Colt Defender Lightweight is "WEIGHT: 22-1/2 Oz" according to Colt, so that's well over a half a pound more, heck, it's pushing twice as much. A Colt New Agent is 25 oz., just a hair more than my Model 649 .357.
 
I've pointed out before in these ongoing Rohrbaugh discussions that Gun Tests does not get ALL of their test guns off the shelf, and I've mentioned that the GT article in question showed quite clearly that whoever did their review did not understand the pistol or its intended use.

I knew GT'd gotten their test sample from the same source I got mine from- Rohrbaugh.


I reviewed one not long after that, dunno if it was the same one.
I gave it positive marks, and I've said ever since that if you can appreciate what the PACKAGE offers, it's well worth the money for certain applications.

As a further note regarding the usual "hand-picked" writer's sample BS that floats to the top every now & then, the first sample Rohrbaugh sent me was non-functional.
When I got with them on it, they did some checking & told me it was an oops. They'd picked up one that happened to be sitting right there, shipped it out, and when I pointed out it wouldn't function they realized it was a stunt gun that'd just come back in from a photographer who'd only used it for pretty photos. It WAS a non-functional pistol.
The second one sent functioned well, with ammo it liked, as I've noted elsewhere.

Quoting that GT review makes no points against the Rohrbaugh. It's actually an embarassment to GT, in my opinion.
Denis
 
snooperman why would you buy a glock when you could have bought a hi point? why spend $330 when you could have paid $130 for something that functions great and takes abuse? same argument.
$1000 dollars is alot of money no doubt but its not crazy when talking about guns. just becuse its small also doesnt mean it needs to be the cheapest gun on the market.
 
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Why buy a Honda Gold Wing when you can buy a Metropolitan scooter?
By some peoples' reasoning, they're both bikes, they've both got two wheels & and an engine, what's the big diff? Just get the scooter for two grand instead of the GW for $23,000?
It's all about the money, right? :)
Denis
 
the arguments against the R9 aren't that strong. so far the big negative on the R9 is that there are cheaper alternatives. If thats your logic then everyone has been over spending becuase there are always chaper alternatives. Another thing is a small pocket pistol is going to be carried way more than any other pistol you own (for some) so paying $1000 dollars for something you use everyday doesn't seem like that big of a waste of money.

also I have never seen a used one so people who buy them must like to hold onto them.
 
I haven't had the opportunity to shoot a Rohrbaugh but if you look at this video I think you can get a pretty good idea of the recoil you have to deal with and what kind of control you will have shooting 9mm in a very samll and light gun like the Rohrbaugh.

This is exactly why I believe that 380 is the practical power limit for very light and very small pocket pistols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZQLo1Zb8ss
 
I haven't had the opportunity to shoot a Rohrbaugh but if you look at this video I think you can get a pretty good idea of the recoil you have to deal with and what kind of control you will have shooting 9mm in a very samll and light gun like the Rohrbaugh.

I watched that video a long time ago and candidly it gave me a lot of hesitation about purchasing an R9. I was however fortunate in that I found a dealer who let me shoot his own R9 before I bought one, and I found the recoil to be more similar to other firearms I shoot and nothing worthy of consideration with the purchase. That video doesn't tell the whole story - or at least in my case it leaves some pieces out.

I have never stopped shooting to yell "ouch".

I have never anticipated recoil or fired an inaccurate shot as a result of recoil.

I have never had any problems with quick and accurate follow-up shots as a result of recoil (or for any other reason for that matter).

The gun has more recoil than some pocket 380s (example - my Sig P238) but not noticeably different than some other pocket 380s (example my Kahr P380). I gladly would (and do) accept any additional recoil of the 9mm round to get additional stopping power.

It is more comfortable to shoot than my Kahr - largely because the ergonomics are so good and the gun is so smooth - the checking on the Kahr seems like a good idea when you look at it but when firing it starts to get painful.

Given the intended purpose of the R9 the recoil is really a non-issue.
 
my first carry gun was 357 snub nose. i heard things like it will break your wrist, you will only be shooting 38's, way to much muzzle blast and on and on. All was untrue and i dont think i am iron man i just think people like to hype up things either cuz they dont know or they want to look tough becuase thats what they use.
*Also in that video you will notice the person who owns the gun has nothing but good things to say in the comments.
 
Does it say what loads they were shooting?, also don't believe anything you see on utube, it cold easily be a competitor trying to knock the gun.
 
Does it say what loads they were shooting?, also don't believe anything you see on utube, it cold easily be a competitor trying to knock the gun.
There are other videos that have left me with the same feeling about the R9 like this one and these can't all be competitors trying to discredit the pistol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3F38-wyFgw

I'm not trying to knock the pistol. I'm sure it is very well made and is reliable but with the kind of recoil I'm seeing it isn't the gun for me. Someone that's younger and stronger may have no problem with it.
 
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