Why police confiscating your guns is the worst, damage to weapons - pic

[Aim1]

Whenever you get your guns confiscated it's unfortunate. With more and more laws that are being passed that allow law enforcement to confiscate your guns for safe keeping rather than evidence when you haven't been convicted of a crime it's more of a reality.

Here is a pic that shows how well your weapons will be taken care of. Can you imagine your very expensive or priceless weapons that have sentimental value being thrown onto the rest of your guns into a big pile. The replacement of priceless weapons would not be possible and I bet that most people wouldn't get compensated for their loss.

Not only would it likely take forever for you to get your weapons back, they aren't going to be in the same condition that they initially were.







http://www.patriotledger.com/news/2...-against-cohasset-man-who-had-98-guns-in-home

Charges ‘imminent’ against Cohasset man who had 98 guns in home

By Benjamin Paulin
The Patriot Ledger

COHASSET - – Police are trying to determine how a Doane Street man came into possession of close to 100 guns and five military-grade ordnance shells that were seized from his home.

“Charges are imminent. It’s just a matter of how many offenses he is charged with,” Police Chief William Quigley said.


Police executed a search warrant at 50 Doane St. on Friday after receiving a tip that the homeowner, Robert Stoddard, had dozens of improperly secured firearms inside.

A total of 98 guns, including shotguns, rifles and pistols, were seized, along with the military-grade ordnance shells and cases of ammunition, police said. Most of the items were improperly stored, strewn about his home, police said.

State law requires firearms to be secured in a locked cabinet or with a trigger lock.

 

[Moparnut]

Had a revolver stolen from me over a year ago. Still haven't seen it. Police have it in evidence and don't know when I will get it back or in what condition.

Where was this btw?

This guy had other stolen items, very odd.

 

[Aim1]

Had a revolver stolen from me over a year ago. Still haven't seen it. Police have it in evidence and don't know when I will get it back or in what condition.

Where was this btw?

Massachusetts.

 

[MarkDido]

Funny, I don't see an trigger locks installed on the guns that were just chucked into the back of a police pickup, as MA state law requires.

 

[Moparnut]

Funny, I don't see an trigger locks installed on the guns that were just chucked into the back of a police pickup, as MA state law requires.

Law enforcement are exempt of any and all safety measures or laws in which they place upon the masses.

 

[Haxby]

He could have avoided this if he had stored his firearms in accordance with local laws.
And if he had not possessed stolen grave markers.

 

[1KPerDay]

Has good taste in guns, despite his alleged faults.

 

[Aim1]

Funny, I don't see an trigger locks installed on the guns that were just chucked into the back of a police pickup, as MA state law requires.

I thought that Heller ruled that you don't have to have trigger locks.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I want to hear the whole story was the guy a prohibited person? What brought the police to his door in the first place? Is he guilty of the theft charges? Why were they serving a search warrant?

 

[jmorris]

Military and LEO folks don't pay for their firearms, they treat them as tools not art work.

 

[Acera]

Most of what you ask is in the article.

....... was the guy a prohibited person?

Stoddard had a license to carry firearms, which has since been revoked.

Generally prohibited persons don't get those.............ijs.

What brought the police to his door in the first place? .....................Why were they serving a search warrant?

Police executed a search warrant at 50 Doane St. on Friday after receiving a tip that the homeowner, Robert Stoddard, had dozens of improperly secured firearms inside.

Is he guilty of the theft charges?

I seriously doubt that this has gone to trial yet. He may be, but the system has to do it's thing first.



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[Aim1]

Military and LEO folks don't pay for their firearms, they treat them as tools not art work.

That's incorrect. Some depts. issue/pay for duty weapons, others don't.


And a lot of officers appreciate firearms, however, if you had to load 98 firearms in the back of a pickup truck without cases, how well could you do it?

 

[tipoc]

To quote from the article:

"Police executed a search warrant at 50 Doane St. on Friday after receiving a tip that the homeowner, Robert Stoddard, had dozens of improperly secured firearms inside.

A total of 98 guns, including shotguns, rifles and pistols, were seized, along with the military-grade ordnance shells and cases of ammunition, police said. Most of the items were improperly stored, strewn about his home, police said."

So someone called in a report (snitched him out) that he had improperly stored weapons in his home. Cops served a warrant. Searched the house. Found out of order things and so this...

That he had brass grave markers doesn't mean he stole the same. But since he lived across the street from a cemetery might bear some looking into. But you prowl through many houses you may find something out of whack.

Oh and they called the press (well maybe reporters follow the scanners) and photos were taken and published. Cuz what police dept. can resist "guns on the table".

 

[Aim1]

To quote from the article:

"Police executed a search warrant at 50 Doane St. on Friday after receiving a tip that the homeowner, Robert Stoddard, had dozens of improperly secured firearms inside.

A total of 98 guns, including shotguns, rifles and pistols, were seized, along with the military-grade ordnance shells and cases of ammunition, police said. Most of the items were improperly stored, strewn about his home, police said."

So someone called in a report (snitched him out) that he had improperly stored weapons in his home. Cops served a warrant. Searched the house. Found out of order things and so this...

That he had brass grave markers doesn't mean he stole the same. But since he lived across the street from a cemetery might bear some looking into. But you prowl through many houses you may find something out of whack.

Oh and they called the press (well maybe reporters follow the scanners) and photos were taken and published. Cuz what police dept. can resist "guns on the table".

All this for initially "improperly stored firearms"........sheesh. I wonder how many gun owners would be in violation of that?!



As I said earlier, didn't Heller rule having firearms locked up was unconstitutional?

 

[danez71]

As I said earlier, didn't Heller rule having firearms locked up was unconstitutional?

Sort of.

They basically said they can't make you keep all your guns in an inoperable/unusable condition.

A handful of cities have since passed laws requiring them to be essentially on your person or locked up and thus far those laws have held up to challanges.

I'm paraphrasing all this of course.

 

[Aim1]

Sort of.

They basically said they can't make you keep all your guns in an inoperable/unusable condition.

A handful of cities have since passed laws requiring them to be essentially on your person or locked up and thus far those laws have held up to challanges.

I'm paraphrasing all this of course.

Ok. I was wondering how they could get away with it.

 

[hdwhit]

Aim1 wrote:
I thought that Heller ruled that you don't have to have trigger locks.

Not exactly. But even if it had, it would be meaningless in this context since Heller only applies to "federal enclaves" like the District of Columbia. You need to look to the later McDonald decision for application to the states and it ddn't address trigger locks.

 

[hdwhit]

Aim1 wrote:
All this for initially "improperly stored firearms"........sheesh. I wonder how many gun owners would be in violation of that?!

I would hope "None". Every gun owner has an obligation to learn about and comply with all applicable federal, state and local ordinance regarding their guns. If we're not going to abide by the laws, or only abide by those we find agreeable or convenient, then we become outlaws and forfeit our right to a gun - unless we're going to start advocating for the right of criminals to be armed.

 

[Haxby]

From Wikipedia:
“Gun laws in Massachusetts”
“Unless carried or under the control of the owner, state law requires all firearms to be stored in a locked container, or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device... properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.”


From The Patriot Ledger:
“...charged with five counts of receiving stolen property, three counts each of improper storage of a firearm and desecrating a grave and one count of possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.”

 

[Aim1]

From Wikipedia:
“Gun laws in Massachusetts”
“Unless carried or under the control of the owner, state law requires all firearms to be stored in a locked container, or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device... properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.”


From The Patriot Ledger:
“...charged with five counts of receiving stolen property, three counts each of improper storage of a firearm and desecrating a grave and one count of possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.”

Whoops!

 

[hdwhit]

Aim1 wrote:
Not only would it likely take forever for you to get your weapons back, they aren't going to be in the same condition that they initially were.

When I was a teenager, AR-15s were expensive and not near as common as they are today. The police (or sheriff's deputy) arrested someone who had an AR-15 in their car. The police siezed the rifle and kept finding reasons to not return it. Until one day the sheriff's office got a call about noise at the local gravel pit whereupon they discovered the officer/deputy and some friends shooting the impounded AR.

So, Aim1 is right, they might not just be neglected, they might become someone else's range toy.

 

[Jack B.]

Cops pile the guns in the back of an open pickup and then I guess they drove it some where. What happens if they had gotten to an accident and scatter the guns all over the road. Real secure.

 

[salt&battery]

I would hope "None". Every gun owner has an obligation to learn about and comply with all applicable federal, state and local ordinance regarding their guns. If we're not going to abide by the laws, or only abide by those we find agreeable or convenient, then we become outlaws and forfeit our right to a gun - unless we're going to start advocating for the right of criminals to be armed.

all criminals are can be armed if they feel like it. there are to many laws and to many cops. this country was founded on disobeying "laws". laws today are meant to restrict peoples freedom and to provide cash flow to govt.
it was funny when the police chief said the neighborhood is safe now. always gotta make people think they are saving them

 

[salt&battery]

When I was a teenager, AR-15s were expensive and not near as common as they are today. The police (or sheriff's deputy) arrested someone who had an AR-15 in their car. The police siezed the rifle and kept finding reasons to not return it. Until one day the sheriff's office got a call about noise at the local gravel pit whereupon they discovered the officer/deputy and some friends shooting the impounded AR.

So, Aim1 is right, they might not just be neglected, they might become someone else's range toy.

I did a job on a retired sheriffs house and he had a big collection of firearms worth a lot of money and a guy told me he did not pay for one of them

 

[jonnyc]

And what pray tell are "military-grade ordnance shells"??? How are they different from civilian-grade ordnance shells???
Nothing but more ignorant phraseology.