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Why Pre-ban?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by TechBrute, May 13, 2003.

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What features would you buy a preban for?

  1. Collapsible stock

    64 vote(s)
    42.4%
  2. Bayonet lug

    27 vote(s)
    17.9%
  3. Flash hider

    55 vote(s)
    36.4%
  4. To build a SBR

    17 vote(s)
    11.3%
  5. Other (please post)

    9 vote(s)
    6.0%
  6. Are you crazy? I've got better uses for my money!!

    61 vote(s)
    40.4%
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  1. TechBrute

    TechBrute Member

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    Just an informal poll. Why would you spend the extra $500+ to get a preban AR-15? Or would you?
     
  2. Hkmp5sd

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    Nope.

    I have a preban AR, but would not spend extra money to acquire one now. Haven't really developed a need for a bayonet lug and if forced to, can live without a flash suppressor.

    I do have a sound suppressor for my AR, so if I didn't have a preban, I *might* consider paying the extra for the threaded barrel.
     
  3. BusMaster007

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    If one really wanted to have the rifle with the 'right' features, as intended, sure, it would be worth it.
     
  4. Pinned&Recessed

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    I personally have no use for a collapsing stock. But who is the Government to say what kind of rifle I can or cannot own?

    Edited to Add: I voted for all of the above. But I clicked bayo lug and Flash Suppressor extra hard.
     
  5. Jack19

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    I thought about buying a pre-ban AR recently, but decided against it.

    If I want a short stock, I can use one of the "Entry" stocks now available. If I want to reduce flash, I can select ammunition accordingly. If I run out of ammo and have to go to blades, I think I've screwed up somewhere along the line...and ARs make really bad spears anyway.

    Still Pinned&Recessed makes an excellent point. Who is the government to tell me what rifles, or their features are appropriate for me? It's not about guns, it's about control.
     
  6. Minuteman

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    I voted for the last option. I wouldn't spend the extra money for a pre-ban. The only feature that I find really desireable is a flash suppressor, which I can get legally anyway on an M1A and a Daewoo DR200. Heck, you can have it on most post-ban rifles if you add a thumbhole stock. I don't advocate such requirements; I'm only saying that it's not worth the extra money. And hey, we might get lucky with the AWB's sunsetting.

    Minuteman
     
  7. MolonLabe416

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    Buy a post ban. Use the extra money to take a 3 day class from Randy Cain, Bill Jeans, Jim Crews, et. al. and learn to use it properly.
     
  8. cratz2

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    When I had my Bushmaster, it had one of those non-collapsing collapsable stocks... that's all I had ever known. Never really thought it was uncomfortable until I shot a buddies AR that had the standard full-length stock. MUCH better! I guess it would be cool to have a short M4 or M4-gery with an actual collappsing stock but I have no use for the.

    On the other hand, if the ban dies and you can put whatever on whatever, I will be getting a few collapsable stocks, just in case. :p
     
  9. SkaerE

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    i like the collapsing stock, if only to make it easier to store (which is one of the reasons rifles have them anyhow, that and for jumping from planes) to be honest, an AR15 collapsing stock doesnt make the rifle all that much shorter. at least not compared to the many side or underfolders there are out there...
    plus, it makes the rifle easier for smaller folks (generally women) to shoot. (its really just an adjustable length of pull)

    anyhow, threaded barrels are nice because of all of the neat items than can be threaded onto them (ie, suppressors, golf ball launchers...you know, fun things)

    my opinon of course...
     
  10. TechBrute

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    It's my post, but I seem to have forgotten my $.02 worth. I have a preban Colt, and it has all of the above. However, I wouldn't spend the money for one if I didn't already have one because I don't need them. But like some wise previous poster said, it's not about guns, it's about control. Exactly why can't I have the features that are banned?
     
  11. DMK

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    Personally, I think it's all a bunch of hype. It's not worth the insane prices.

    The only thing pre-ban that I'm interested in is the mag capacity.
     
  12. Hkmp5sd

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    The whole thing is pretty academic now. The Republican control Congress has stated they will let the ban expire next year. A replacement ban will not be submitted or voted on.
     
  13. ShaiVong

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    Woohoo!:D :D
     
  14. DMK

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    I like my preban Daewoo for all three specific reasons, plus one that TechBrute left out. I use the folding stock on a regular basis for easier carrying and shipping. I haven't done any night shooting yet, but I am led to believe that the flash suppressor will be a very big help there. And I like the option of having a bayonet as an intermediate level of force for defensive scenarios. Plus, I'm planning on chopping up a crummy bayonet and making it into a quick-detach flashlight mount.

    And my extra reason? It must really irk Feinstein, Schumer and Co to know that I, a mere citizen, own it. :neener:
     
  16. ShaiVong

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    If a tree falls on Diane Fienstein in the woods, does anybody care?:fire:
     
  17. BDM

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    if I didnt have a preban bushmaster I wouldnt spend the extra money and I have a post ban M4 bushy I got a KKF fake suppressor for the look and I use it as the plinking,training,test new parts beat on rifle shooting only wolf and I keep the preban at the 7000 round only good ammo mark and the post ban is working great.
     
  18. Hkmp5sd

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    Yep. Very sure. It was reported on FOX and ABC news and on several online newspapers. The republicans are not going to submit a new AW ban or allow a democratic ban to be voted on. Bush is not going to push the issue so he can play both sides in the next election. They stated even some democrats are going along with it in the hopes of making out better next year.

    In fact, here's one:

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030513/pl_nm/congress_guns_dc_1
     
  19. DMK

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    I sure hope you're right. But that almost seems too good to be true. It's not like politicians don't have a habit of turning around and stabbing us the the back at the last minute, even republicans.

    Gotta watch the Senate too. It will be hard for them for sure, but I don't think it's time to pop a cold one and relax just yet.
     
  20. Dave Markowitz

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    I, too, feel that it's likely that the AWB will sunset. However, I am not 100% certain. We should thank DeLay for his support but not get complacent. The Republicans have stabbed us in the back before. We should not let them forget what will happen to them if they do it to us on this issue.
     
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    I have three pre-bans, all of which I bought post-ban. One I bought for a reason you mention in the poll; I wanted to register it as an SBR and later add a suppressor.
    I bought an SP1 for nostalgia sake; I owned one in the early eighties and just wanted one for old time sake.
    I bought a Colt Lightweight Sporter in 9mm for a couple reasons. One is that it was considerably under market value. Another was that I wanted a 9mm AR and didn't want to have to tinker with it to make it run. So I bought one made to run from the factory with a pinned magwell adapter.

    On the first two, I didn't pay anywhere near $500 over the cost of a post-ban although it was a couple hundred more. The 9mm was considerably more than I could have put one together for, but they are selling for much more than I paid for it.
     
  22. Onslaught

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    I generally get VERY angry when I start reading responses to questions like these...

    Nobody needs...

    I don't see what anyone wants with....

    There's no reason for you to have a....

    Those are the same words that Frankenstein and Schumer use to start their sentences. :what:

    But at least this time, a gentleman with only 37 posts here has stated what everyone has overlooked in previous versions. Thanks Pinned & Recessed.

    I own 1 pre-ban Bushmaster AR. I bought it in late '93. I couldn't afford one now...

    My flash supressor leaves less flash than my 2 buddies post-ban, WITHOUT having to "change ammo" from the cheap surplus I use.
    My bayonet lug has no current use, but there are several functional attachments that make use of it, to mount flashlights, weaver rails, etc. if I so chose.
    My telescoping stock is WONDERFUL, and my Wife and 11 yr old son can shoot it too.
    You may think you're post-ban is all you need, but I can say that I have NEVER EVER EVER been shooting with MY pre-ban where there were others with post-bans who didn't come over to DROOL enviously over mine... some even ask "how much trouble could I REALLY get in if I put a telescoping stock on mine" :D
     
  23. XxAR10xX

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    Why a preban? So you can pay more money out of the door to get "evil" features? Almost seems stupid to me considering the kind of premium that they charge for preban. Might as well save the money and get an ACOG or something that will improve the usability of the gun instead of just a collapsible stock.

    <caveat - I could be all wrong because I live in CA and I am bitter that I had to buy a postban rifle, and now I can't have any more AR's period> :fire:
     
  24. Onslaught

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    Exactly the kind of attitude that the drafters of the AWB were hoping we'd all take.

    Rather than do something about it, a LOT of gun owners are calling other gun owners STUPID etc. because they paid more money for a weapon to have the features that God intended it to have, while they don't want to pay extra so they settle for a version that was designed to look like SOMEBODY ELSE said it oughta look!

    NO, it's NOT "stupid" to buy a pre-ban, and it's ASHAME that so many are settling into the mindset of "I didn't need a flash supressor anyways, so I sure as heck ain't buying one, because it's STUPID to spend that extra money."

    Then, on some skewed ABC poll, you'll read that "75% of gun owners feel that flash supressors and folding stocks are STUPID, and they don't want them anyway".

    It's OK if you don't spend extra $$$ to buy a "pre-ban", but it's not "stupid" if you do. It's just ashame that it has to cost more, and that they're facing possible extinction.

    I'd be willing to bet that NONE of you EVER walked into a gun dealer's place in 1992 and said "hey, do you sell any AR15's that don't have that stupid flash supressor thing?".

    If the AW ban sunsets, how long afterward do you suppose those non-threaded, crowned barrels are gonna be manufactured?

    Lets try and remember to point our "stupid" in the right direction, before you're all saying "Why in the world would I want to pay all that extra money for one of them "evil" banned Remington 7400 rifles, when I can buy 3 lever actions for the price of one of those things!

    DON'T SETTLE!

    :neener:
     
  25. TechBrute

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    Very well said, thank you.
     
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