Why Rick Wears A GUN

[ojibweindian]

Matt

Don't be civil just to spare me. Speak your mind, I can handle it.

Yes, I do want that guy speaking for me. He's got enough courage to stand up for his convictions, to do what is right, regardless of the cost to him.

I am not going to kiss this collective tuckus of the anti's anymore. And I believe that the time for being reasonable is past. Being "reasonable" got us to the point we are now. Also, obeying onerous "laws" that deprive us of our right to self defense emboldens those who wish to enslave us.

Obey them if you want to; I will do what I must, and suffer what consequences come about, in order to effectively defend myself and family.

 

[Zak Smith]

I think Mr. Stanley could improve his message and be more effective by communicating more clearly. We can't even figure out exactly what the facts are of these "incidents" from his "media release."

-z

 

[Andrew Rothman]

Even if this guy were 100% right (he's not -- there are other ways to resolve issues besides declaring yourself a militia), his nuttiness is a huge liability. He issues screwball communiques, then claims there is a "MEDIA BLACKOUT" because the press doesn't print them.

He's a loon. Have you read his screeds? Nutso. Bonkers. THAT is why he is marginalized. And that's why he's bad for the cause.

You know, the majority can change the Constitution. All legal and proper and constitutional, too.

If the majority become convinced that all gunowners are like him, do you think that a repeal of the 2nd would be all that hard to pass?

Fight for your rights. Vote out the bums who don't. Campaign for leaders who will.

Participate in civil disobedience. Say your say in court. Appeal if you lose.

But threatening to kidnap judges will only get you locked up. As this guy should be. Not for his pro-RKBA stance or actions, but for his terroristic threats.

Matt

[edited `cause I can spell, but I can't type]

 

[Al Norris]

See? Didn't need to say a thing. Posted a link is all.

Remember, this is the same guy who boasted of taking his "Mutual Defense Pact Militia" and wrecking the infastructure of a township up in Michigan a couple of weeks ago. Meanwhile, the real Michigan militia is settling things through the system, leaving Stanley only to call names and cast aspertions upon the integrity of people who still think there is some use for the system.

No more "headlines" to be made, so he off and goes to make some more.

Yes, give him credit for having the moxy to stand up. But also see the stupidity of making a martyr of yourself needlessly.

 

[Morgan]

Some clarification.

The Court cases Stanley speaks of are prior to the evening at Sambuca's. No charges were filed or warranted regarding that evening.

I was not on scene that night, but I'm aware that Sambuca management did not want Stanley to remain in the restaurant, which is why he was removed. He had no right to speak with or confront the woman who originally called, as she was pressing no charges and only requested police to check out the situation. Management also did not wish (or have grounds, as Stanley left when police requested it) to press any charges. The only charges possible would have been trespass if he refused to leave when asked, and disturbance if he made a fuss about it.

For those who don't know, I'm an Officer in Denver. I've met Stanley before, when he was standing on a busy street corner with a sign, wearing his trademark .357 openly. I told him I respected him and his views, but that he scared and polarized people rather than persuading and informing. We discussed for a few minutes, he thanked me for stopping, we shook hands, and I got in my patrol car and drove off.

He's a zealot, and seems to be suffering from a persecution complex, but he knows his rights and excercises them. He's not a bully or a coward. He lives as he believes, and sticks to his guns (pun intended).

 

[Zak Smith]

Morgan,

I'm currently trying to get a straight answer out of the Fort Collins Police regarding what they'll do if I go for a walk downtown carrying openly.

Maybe you can answer this: What'll happen in Denver?

regards
Zak

 

[ojibweindian]

Thomas Payne was considered by many to be a "nut job". Same with Patrick Henry et al. Their rhetoric against the British was rather heated, too.

As far as trying to appear reasonable to "the majority", they're pretty much a pack of morons. If the majority were so reasonable, why did we get 8 years of Clinton, 40+ years of the Dems controlling the the legislature, Jimmy Carter, and the joke known as the California Recall elections?

If American society, as a whole, is so reasonable and intelligent, why are we raising a new generation if mush-heads that can't think their way out of a wet paper bag in the middle of a torrential rain storm?

I am not saying that Stanley is the paragon of reason and civility. He lacks tact, decorum, and subtlety. But, in all honesty, I believe that tact, decorum, and subtlety have become useless in fighting against the inanities of today's modern American. I believe that what we need are men and women who will take a stand, boldly, to say we will no longer sacrifice our fundamental rights so that people can "feel safe".

 

[Brian Dale]

Thanks, Morgan.

I had the impression, after reading the "Stanley Note" in the original post, that the fines were assessed as a result of the events at Sambuca's. I should have read more carefully.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I am not saying that Stanley is the paragon of reason and civility. He lacks tact, decorum, and subtlety.

Add "coherence," "a grip on reality," "a sense of proportion" and "an eye on the goal" to the list of things he lacks. He's fighting to lose, and a lot of it looks like ego to me.

Matt

 

[ojibweindian]

He's fighting to lose, and a lot of it looks like ego to me.

I would say that at least he is fighting. How many of us would make the same kind of stand as Stanley? Also, I think many people confuse ego with conviction.

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

Here here!

 

[Morgan]

Zak asks:

...what they'll do if I go for a walk downtown carrying openly...in Denver?

Well, you might get a lot more attention than if you did the same thing concealed.

For someone dressed as a non-thug, many will assume you're a cop or security, and most won't even notice, being oblivious to the world.

If someone does call the police, the response will likely be muted. I'd ask the dispatcher what law is being broken before even going, just to clarify. I'd then drive to the area, and might talk to you (if I'm in a talkative mood) about what you're carrying, and throw in my $.02 that concealed is much better in an urban area, or recommend a security holster. Chances are I'd just give you a nod, and go back in service.

Other cops may handle it differently, perhaps to the point of disarming you (temporarily) while they clear you and the gun for wants. Heck, Stanley was only given such attention as he's threatened to kill anyone who tries to arrest him for "unconstitutional" warrants. If, as Stanley did, you go into a business, there's a much larger likelyhood you'll be spoken with by cops, as so many shopkeepers are too cowardly to ask you to leave themselves, and don't know the law.

In any case, you're likely to be asked who you are and what's up. Most of the guys are pro-gun, and a little respect goes a long way, natch.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I would say that at least he is fighting.

And if that does more damage than good?

Think logically. Is he convincing anyone? No. He's reinforcing the "gun nut" stereotype.

Some kind of help is the kind of help
That helping's all about
Some kind of help is the kind of help
We all could do without!


Matt

 

[Zak Smith]

Morgan,

Thanks for the reply. That sounds reasonable.

I do have a question about "clearing the gun for wants" which I assume means to run the serial number to see if it's stolen. How does this not run afoul of the 4A ?

regards,
Zak

 

[Morgan]

Zak, if someone is acting suspicious then I'd disarm him until I figure what's up. It's all in my articulation of why I found him suspicious. If I've disarmed him I'd run the number to see if that's why he's acting hinky.

Not likely to happen with open carry now legal.

 

[Zak Smith]

Gotcha,

thanks!
Zak

 

[gunsmith]

If open carry is legal

Then it's legal.

I carried open in AZ when I went there last Christmass
after living in NY/CA it felt GREAT!
More people should do it and get the sheep used to it,
it is legal isn't it?
as far as tactical considerations,doesn't it take longer to get your concealed pistol then the one on your belt?