Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Come to think of it, no one should own these abominations - don't buy them, and the price will drop. I will try to rid the world of them for youens guys.
Why should we own M1 Carbines?
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alsaqr
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An M1 carbine sits in the closet of our master bedroom, loaded with a 30 round magazine. The carbine is a good home defense weapon.
Speedo66
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Oops, you're correct, only ammoman has Wolf.
Aim has brass .30 Carbine for less than $16 though.
Aim has brass .30 Carbine for less than $16 though.
My long-deceased Dad told the story about the "90-Day Wonder" 2nd LT that arrived in the Pacific Theatre...Dad said he couldn't see how the guy got in...couldn't have weighed 120Lbs with all pockets full of wet sand.... a toothpick casted a bigger shadow....
Anyway, 2nd LT couldn't hit the command HQ building from inside with the M1 Garand. Dad swapped the Lt his M1 Carbine for the M1 Garand 2LT arrived with...both happy. Dad had better rifle, 2LT was absolutely deadly with the carbine inside 150Yds.
Anyway, 2nd LT couldn't hit the command HQ building from inside with the M1 Garand. Dad swapped the Lt his M1 Carbine for the M1 Garand 2LT arrived with...both happy. Dad had better rifle, 2LT was absolutely deadly with the carbine inside 150Yds.
Thems fightin' words... My uncle was in the French Foreign Legion and fought in Vietnam in the early days. He was one tough son-of-a-bi***. And, from the photos he showed me as a kid, so were his fellow Legionnaires. Oh, and he used a Garand.
JR47
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The French in Vietnam were maneuvered into a trap. They didn't have the resources available to break out, and retired from the field as a result. The French soldiers fought bravely, but their command structure has always had problems with reality.
Nugilum
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JR47
Some would say that about most military leaders, not just US and French.
Some would say that about most military leaders, not just US and French.
peacemaker45
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I've got my Grandpa's Inland. And a few of his stories regarding Carbines in Korea.
First off, the .30 Carbine isn't a pistol round. It's significantly hotter than the .357 Mag that it's often compared to. Besides, the only time I ever hear anyone denigrate the power of said .357, is when they're busy denigrating the .30 carbine. Yeah, it's no .30-06, but then it wasn't meant to be.
Anyhow, Gramps carried his all through Korea, and loved it by comparison with the Garand. He said that he heard plenty of complaints about it, but that there were simple explanations for them. None of them have to do with ballistics or accuracy. The first is the M2 Carbine. While the M1/M2 has very little rearward recoil, it does have hellacious muzzle jump. Even as a semi auto, the muzzle tends to jump 5 or six inches per shot. Think about what that means for full auto. If the first round is a miss, the second will likely miss, somewhat higher. The rest of the mag that follows is simply anti-aircraft fire. According to Gramps, that led to a lot of repetitions of the following conversation:
*sounds of full auto fire*
Trooper: "But Sarge! I hit him with 30 rds, and it all bounced off his coat! This little pansy gun sucks!"
Sgt Gramps: "Boy, give me that gun!"
*bang*
Sgt Gramps: "I hit him with one. He's dead. You missed him with 30 rds. That little pansy gun does just fine. It was the little pansy pulling the trigger that wasn't doing his job."
He also pointed out that there was a weakness with the Carbine that contributed to such troubles. The sighting arrangement. The front sight is protected by two posts, one on either side. Through the rear peep, it's hard to tell which one you've got. After he got a hacksaw, and cut the guards off all the carbines in the squad, and offered to stomp the heck out of (my paraphrase. What he actually said was considerably rougher)anyone he caught shooting full auto, the complaints fell off dramatically.
~~~Mat
First off, the .30 Carbine isn't a pistol round. It's significantly hotter than the .357 Mag that it's often compared to. Besides, the only time I ever hear anyone denigrate the power of said .357, is when they're busy denigrating the .30 carbine. Yeah, it's no .30-06, but then it wasn't meant to be.
Anyhow, Gramps carried his all through Korea, and loved it by comparison with the Garand. He said that he heard plenty of complaints about it, but that there were simple explanations for them. None of them have to do with ballistics or accuracy. The first is the M2 Carbine. While the M1/M2 has very little rearward recoil, it does have hellacious muzzle jump. Even as a semi auto, the muzzle tends to jump 5 or six inches per shot. Think about what that means for full auto. If the first round is a miss, the second will likely miss, somewhat higher. The rest of the mag that follows is simply anti-aircraft fire. According to Gramps, that led to a lot of repetitions of the following conversation:
*sounds of full auto fire*
Trooper: "But Sarge! I hit him with 30 rds, and it all bounced off his coat! This little pansy gun sucks!"
Sgt Gramps: "Boy, give me that gun!"
*bang*
Sgt Gramps: "I hit him with one. He's dead. You missed him with 30 rds. That little pansy gun does just fine. It was the little pansy pulling the trigger that wasn't doing his job."
He also pointed out that there was a weakness with the Carbine that contributed to such troubles. The sighting arrangement. The front sight is protected by two posts, one on either side. Through the rear peep, it's hard to tell which one you've got. After he got a hacksaw, and cut the guards off all the carbines in the squad, and offered to stomp the heck out of (my paraphrase. What he actually said was considerably rougher)anyone he caught shooting full auto, the complaints fell off dramatically.
~~~Mat
Nugilum
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Is it me, or is this starting to sound like an "I love / I Hate" the AR?
Clyde from Carolina
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I have one, or rather my wife does. 
It was a gift from a dear friend of ours, a WWII Marine vet 82 years old who was wounded on Okinawa. (His personal weapon was a Carbine, he was a light .30 cal machine gunner in a rifle company)
Our old friend says based on his experience, the Carbine is not an offensive weapon like an M1 Garand, but is a purely defensive gun. I think he's right.
He saw how much fun my wife had shooting one of his Carbines and he found one and gave it to her for Christmas. She loves shooting her Carbine, and it is her "go to" gun and part of our home defense plan. It does make a perfect wifey gun as already pointed out.
My Dad was a 50s and 60s era Marine, and he didn't think much of the Carbine either. But John George of Merrill's Marauders(author of SHOTS FIRED IN ANGER- a classic) and Audie Murphy liked it a lot. As pointed out, Cirillo wrote well of it also. I was recently told by a British army veteran that the Carbine had a very impressive rep in Northern Ireland, too.
It was a gift from a dear friend of ours, a WWII Marine vet 82 years old who was wounded on Okinawa. (His personal weapon was a Carbine, he was a light .30 cal machine gunner in a rifle company)
Our old friend says based on his experience, the Carbine is not an offensive weapon like an M1 Garand, but is a purely defensive gun. I think he's right.
He saw how much fun my wife had shooting one of his Carbines and he found one and gave it to her for Christmas. She loves shooting her Carbine, and it is her "go to" gun and part of our home defense plan. It does make a perfect wifey gun as already pointed out.
My Dad was a 50s and 60s era Marine, and he didn't think much of the Carbine either. But John George of Merrill's Marauders(author of SHOTS FIRED IN ANGER- a classic) and Audie Murphy liked it a lot. As pointed out, Cirillo wrote well of it also. I was recently told by a British army veteran that the Carbine had a very impressive rep in Northern Ireland, too.
FMJMIKE
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This is an early Winchester with a spring tube receiver. This is what the WW II guns looked like with the flip sights..........
Sorry for being snarky. For some reason I thought you talking about 7.62 x 39 ammo.
In March of 07, I bought 2 cases of 30 carbine ammo from Wideners when I heard the CMP was getting those Italian carbines in. They were 149.00 each. Now they want 184.00 per case but are out of stock. Up by more than 30 percent...
My carbine does love Wolf ammo.
Clyde from Carolina
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rondog, thank you sir.
FMJMIKE- I like the early style Carbines the best myself. Their sleek lines can't be beat and the flip sight is okay at close personal defense ranges. Here's a late '43 Inland that I helped restore for a friend.
FMJMIKE- I like the early style Carbines the best myself. Their sleek lines can't be beat and the flip sight is okay at close personal defense ranges. Here's a late '43 Inland that I helped restore for a friend.
U.S.SFC_RET
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Ditto: Can't beat it for its intended purpose. Light, short and the one I have is dependable.
mordechaianiliewicz
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Now I really want one of these bad boys to serve as my self defense piece.
I put a M1 carbine in layaway at a local pawnshop it is a Inland and on the barrel it says 2-43 and under that General Motors its has some wood checkering on the stock near the butt close to trigger assembly. It had one flaw though that I was afraid of when I put the bore light in it it has some slight rust in the bore. The pawnshop manager a good guy cleaned it with some rem oil and ran a few patches through it and it seemed like it was just surface. The rifling was still able to been seen throughout the barrel I think I can get virtually all of the rust out if not all of it. Just a question do you think this will highly affect its accuracy and also I was just planning on using the gun as a range toy and historical piece.
WardenWolf
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Shouldn't. A bit of surface rust won't really do much to the accuracy. If it truly is surface rust, firing a few good rounds through it should also serve to scrub it.
Ignition Override
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Just an academic question here, but have these gone up quite a bit in price since the election?
They seem to have a good self-defense capability with soft-point ammo.
Minis, SKS, MN 44.
They seem to have a good self-defense capability with soft-point ammo.
Minis, SKS, MN 44.
ARRRGHHHH! Reading this thread has got me thinking that I really need one of these! Dang it!! I don't need this! 
But seriously. I've been trying to think of a small rifle that would be a good gun my wife could be trained to use in a HD situation, and this sounds like it would fit the bill. She's not much for shooting, but if I could at least get her to learn how to empty a 30 rnd. mag in the bad guy's direction, we may be onto something.
But seriously. I've been trying to think of a small rifle that would be a good gun my wife could be trained to use in a HD situation, and this sounds like it would fit the bill. She's not much for shooting, but if I could at least get her to learn how to empty a 30 rnd. mag in the bad guy's direction, we may be onto something.
Paradiddle
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I'm always surprised when people refer the carbine as a "pistol" round - it's really not. That cartridge was designed as an intermeidate rifle round - read War Baby for the history - it's pretty amazing how fast the carbine was developed, tested, and manufactured.
They are nearly the most fun you can have with a rifle - I have a Carbine, a Mini, an AR, and a Garand among others. Ask me what is the most fun - Carbine wins. If I were going to war and was a front line grunt in WWII I'd want a Garand hands down - or perhaps a Thompson for house work.
Read this on the so called "lack of penetration" of the round - it seems to me it's got more penetration then the .223 based on his tests.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot19.htm
rifle rounds and water - 30 carbine penetrates nearly twice what .223 does
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm
30 carbine and "frozen clothing"
Anway - they are VERY cool little rifles - like a 10/22 on steroids.
Jeff
They are nearly the most fun you can have with a rifle - I have a Carbine, a Mini, an AR, and a Garand among others. Ask me what is the most fun - Carbine wins. If I were going to war and was a front line grunt in WWII I'd want a Garand hands down - or perhaps a Thompson for house work.
Read this on the so called "lack of penetration" of the round - it seems to me it's got more penetration then the .223 based on his tests.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot19.htm
rifle rounds and water - 30 carbine penetrates nearly twice what .223 does
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm
30 carbine and "frozen clothing"
Anway - they are VERY cool little rifles - like a 10/22 on steroids.
Jeff
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