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Why so few pump rifles

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by bushmaster1313, Feb 23, 2010.

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  1. bushmaster1313

    bushmaster1313 Member

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    The pump is so natural.

    Why so few pump rifles?
     
  2. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    They are indeed natural (inherently) to operate, and particularly if you've used a pump shotgun as many of us have.

    The reasons boil down to:

    1. Less positive strength and lockup than a similarly-weighted rifle (i.e. turnbolts)
    2. Less positive extraction and cycling than a [ditto]
    3. IINM, just slightly more weight than a turnbolt, due to the slide-action arms and other components. This is a minor issue though, compared to 1 and 2.

    Just slightly less reliable in the field under muddy/dirty conditions, and you can't hot rod it very much.

    I like pumps of all kinds though.
     
  3. jbkebert

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    I sold a 760 gamemaster in .270 win and kinda wished I would have kept it. It was a fun gun to shoot the trigger was horrible but none the less fun. My favorite .22s are my model 62a's nothing wrong with a pump action rifle.
     
  4. bushmaster1313

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    The M1 in all its iterations seems to do just fine without the turnbolt!
     
  5. Abel

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    There must be alot of them somewhere because gunbroker is full of 760's & 7600's. I have recently placed certain configs of the 760 on my shortlist. I especially love the older ones with the big lines cut into the stock for checkering. And dont even get me started on the Model 141. It was the forebearer to the 760. Can you say SWEET?

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  6. Almond27

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    What the heck does the M1 have to do with pump action rifles?? I love the M1 personally but it has nothing nada to do with pump actions.
     
  7. peptoe

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    I've never liked the feel of the Remington pump rifles all that much, they feel to long IMO. I like the fast handling nature of them, but I'd prefer something more compact. I really haven't used the carbines, so they may feel different.
     
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    I always thought I would like a Savage Model 170 pump gun in 30-30. Always late, one of these days; maybe!!!!!
     
  9. bushmaster1313

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    M1 operates with a force directed straight back and then straight front, just like a pump. I believe the internals convert the force into a rotary motion, at least they do on a Mini-14
     
  10. Justin

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    Pump-action guns are slower to shoot from the prone position and harder to keep on target shot-to-shot vs. a semi-auto or bolt-action rifle.
     
  11. Deltaboy1984

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    I have a 760 that is great and I love it.
     
  12. Abel

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    What a slick little rifle. I could kill all the deer in five states with that thing!

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  13. tju1973

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    Not sure--except the public dollar doesnt dictate more being made. I passed on a Remington 742 in 30-06 last year, complete with 2 10 round mags-- it was in great condition, but I was leery of what I read about them being dogs with getting them going after not being cared for...

    I also missed out in a Remington (?) in .35 Remington a year or so back...It was in a good used condition, but it was still a great shooter, and the guy wanted $120 for it...it lasted all of about an hour after our local shopper paper was put out..
     
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    My guess is that prone and bench shooting is more challenging with a pump.
     
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    I would expect the lever operated rifle to be harder than a pump.
     
  16. NWCP

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    A good point. I still enjoy shooting rimfire pump action rifles my favorite being the Winchester Model 61. A pump also tends not to lend itself well to shooting from the bench. The same woes would apply to a lever action. There's something to be said for hunting small game with a slick .22LR pump. It brings the kid out in me. :D
     
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    Pump shotguns are popular because they cost less than semi-auto shotguns. This doesn't seem to be the case for rifles; a Remington 750 is around the same price as a 7600.

    Does a pump have any advantages? I would pick the semi-auto for hunting because it doesn't have a slide that might rattle when I pick it up. Also, the sound of a semi-auto reloading is masked by the sound of the shot, so it's less likely to spook that deer that might be standing dumb-struck after the first boom.
     
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    I think they were made for shotgun hunters in the midwest that were so used to a pump shotgun they felt at home with a similar rifle. I personally do not think they are accurate or reliable with max load rounds. They work but there are a lot better choices unless you just have to pump.
     
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    The reason there are so few pumps nowadays is that a lot of 'gun scribes', from the late 30's on, extolled the virtues of the bolt action and told everyone who would listen that pumps and levers were weak, low-powered, unreliable, inaccurate and caused children to be born without teeth. And except for a few savvy hunters in New England and some of the western states, most folks believed 'em and voted with their dollars.

    The truth is that, for most hunting purposes and ranges, a pump or lever is just as good as a bolt gun and a lot faster on followup shots.

    The prone shooting thing doesn't wash, either. It's neither impossible nor particularly difficult, just different. Besides which, other than prairie dogs and woodchucks, how many times do you actually shoot from the prone position?
     
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    For me they just don't have the nice lines of a bolt action rifle and haven't ever appealed to me.
     
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    Man, best laugh I have had all day.
     
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    Yep. And the 760/7600 is known far & wide as an accurate rifle. It costs about the same as a 750, but that is more of a poor reflection of the 750 Jam-Master. Look what real auto-shuckers sell for. READ BROWNING BAR.
     
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    here is a buck i shot with my rem carbine 7600 in 30-06, he was in thick brush moving and only was in sight for about 3-4 seconds,i missed the first shot as my bullet hit brush,but the second one hit him. i don,t think i would have gotten this buck with a bolt action. and as far as being weak or haveing bad extraction, i shoot 58grs imr 4350 with the 165gr nosler bullet and after haveing shot hundreds of thoses reloads with out a problem at all, with 1-1.5 inch groups at 100yds. i saw one rem pump blown up and it was a high primer that caused it and the shooter was not hurt at all,no gas or pieces in the shooters face,the solid reciever contained all the force. it all comes down to what works well for you. eastbank.
     

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    My Father-in-law has a 760 chambered in .30-06 that he bought way back when, used it for hunting a couple of years then parked it in favor of his Winchester 94. He has never finished a box of shells through it, in over 30 years. He says it is a pain in the a** to carry, doesn't balance well, but is very accurate. Maybe the uncomfortable carry thing is the key as to their lack of prevelance.
     
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    Back in 1961, the US Rifle Team won using the Model 760. That attests to their accuracy.

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    I love my Remington pump rifles.

    Top - Model 760 .300 SAV, Middle - Model Six .30-06, Bottom - Model 7600 .243
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