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Why the 5.7?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by spartanpride, Mar 9, 2010.

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  1. spartanpride

    spartanpride Member

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    Why do people think that the FN 5.7 cartridge is the best thing since sliced bread? Isn't it almost identical as the .22 mag? Both are around 40gr and pushing 2000 fps. Why use the 5.7 when there's the more popular and easily found .22 mag?
     
  2. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    There are videos on youtube showing a 5.7 x 28 compared to a .22 mag, the 5.7 is about the same as a 9mm regarding wound cavaties.
     
  3. Justin

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    FWIW, the 5.7 round achieves the same velocities in a pistol that .22 magnum achieves in a rifle.

    I'm no 5.7 fanboy, but there is a significant difference between the rounds.
     
  4. Kingofthehill

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    i think its way overhyped.

    that being said, i am looking for a 5.7 upper for my AR. lol.... 50rd mag opposed to 30 and ejects through the factory mag opening is just COOL.

    now, once i get that Upper, i plan on getting the Pistol to have a matching set because hey... its cool hahahahaha..

    Its very light recoiling, and very fast follow up's.

    but i do agree that with the CIVILIAN available ammo, its not the end all cartridge. Although the Fort Hood shooter unfortunately had good results.

    JOe
     
  5. 7.62 Nato

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    The 5.7 does have better ballistics than the .22 mag. and it is also centerfire, making it much more reliable.
     
  6. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Can't you get AP rounds if they are made in the country and not prohibited otherwise?
     
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    Not for a pistol. The AP 5.7 round was available here when they brought out the PS90, until they brought out the FiveseveN, at least that's my understanding.
     
  8. General Geoff

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    5.7x28mm, as Justin pointed out, has similar velocities as a .22 mag rifle, out of a pistol. It is centerfire, meaning more reliable ignition. And finally, it is a bottlenecked cartridge, meanining superior feeding and extraction reliability.

    That said, Kel-Tec is coming out with the PMR-30, a .22WMR handgun which holds 30 rounds in a flush-fitting magazine, which is likely intended as a direct (and cheaper) competitor to the FN Five-seveN pistol.



    edit; if the PMR-30 takes off, I foresee some ammo manufacturers selling .22WMR loads tailored to the short barrel of a pistol to close the gap a bit.
     
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  9. nwilliams

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    I like the 5.7 but I don't think it's the greatest round by any means, I have a PS90 and I really enjoy shooting it. However I bought a PS90 more for the gun than the round it fires.
     
  10. Hatterasguy

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    The 5.7 round that they won't sell to civilians is a good round.

    The civilian version is lame and has had its balls cut off, so I'll pass.
     
  11. General Geoff

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    Hatterasguy, I don't know where you hear these things from, but it is misinformation at its worst.

    Elite Ammunition sells hot-loaded ammo that surpasses the performance of the "armor piercing" military/LEO-only ammunition available in 5.7x28mm.
     
  12. Hatterasguy

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    Oh I didn't know that. Although everything on that site seems backordered so it looks like its hard to get.

    But I'm not a fan of proprietary rounds and don't reload so I'd never buy anything in that caliber.

    IMHO your better off getting the 7.62X28, its dirt cheap and probably works about the same.
     
  13. browningguy

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    The 5.7x28 is a fun round with nonexistant recoil, and somewhat better than a .22 mag ballistically. As already mentioned it's also a centerfire making it easy to reload for. As far as comparing it to a 7.62x39 (I'm guessing you meant 39) they really aren't comparable. The AK/SKS round is a true intermediate cartridge with much more power, and also weight. I shoot it through an AR57 upper and find it to be decently accurate (i've only shot it out to 100 yards) and with the low recoil anyone can shoot it with ease. I've put the 6 position stock on this lower just so youngsters and small in stature ladies can also shoot it.

    With 50 rounds in a mag I wouldn't feel out of place using it as a HD rifle either.

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  14. loki.fish

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    People deer hunt with the pistol and have no issues, so I'd say it's perfectly capable. That being said, it's kind of expensive when compared to 9mm, so it turns alot of people away from it. There's skeptics for everything, I'll CC mine when I quit being lazy and find a holster for it and I'll be perfectly comfortable using it for self defense.
     
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    According to the show I watched on Discovery Channel last night the round itself was designed soley for its armor piercing abilities.
     
  16. Hatterasguy

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    Sorry ment 7.62X25.

    A hot combat proven communist round that does a number on armor.

    BTW cool rifle!

    I understand the idea behind the 5.7, it was ment to defeat body armor and replace the 9mm in sub guns. FN was going after the MP5. Not sure why it failed, but it did. HK also failed with their 4.7 or whatever it was.

    The whole idea is when swat or a special forces operator entered a room and did a center mass double tap on a bad guy, the bad guy had less of a chance of getting up if he was wearing armor and hit with a 5.7 vs a 9mm.
     
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    7.62x25 is a great round, but unfortunately choices are rather limited as far as firearms to shoot it. I suppose the same could be said of the 5.7 as well, but at least the 5.7 is fired from newish designs with much better ergos than some outdated Russian or Czech pistol. If somebody like Glock were to make a new 7.62 Tok pistol I'd be all over it.

    As for the OP's questions, I don't think anyone is saying the 5.7 is the best thing since sliced bread. It's mostly the anti's who make it out to be some magical cop killing super cannon of death. That and any show on The Military Channel. Among firearms enthusiasts I see far more negativity than praise.

    As stated, the 5.7 has about the same velocity out of a pistol as a 22mag out of a rifle, and obviously out of a rifle the 5.7 is a lot hotter. Terminal ballistics also appear to be much better. And centerfire is both more reliable and can be reloaded. It's certainly not the best round out there, but I can see it being quite a viable self defense round. Seems in all the studies I've seen, shot placement is the biggest factor in stopping an assailant, not caliber. As long as the round can penetrate to vitals such as the heart and spinal column and has enough energy to do damage once it gets there, which the 5.7 certainly can do, it will incapacitate as well as anything else. It's probably more sensitive to shot placement than other larger and/or more powerful rounds, but assuming proper shot placement, it will do the job. That makes it perfectly viable, though I'd still rather have 5.56 any day.
     
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    I want a CZ-52 re-barreled for 5.7 :D

    William
     
  19. 7.62 Nato

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    The kel-Tec PMR-30 is the updated version of the Grendel P-30. They were both designed by the same guy. The P-30 was out long before the FN57. Production stopped with the first assault weapons ban.
     
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    Ahh, the unintended consequences of the federal AWB continue to ripple throughout the gun culture... :(
     
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    I have a really hard time believing that. Most ammo is loaded with a 40gr varmint bullet that is designed to violently expand on impact. Not what you want for deer...
     
  22. c5_nc

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    7.62x25 is a pretty awesome round with very hot ammo. The tokerev is pretty nice also. You can't really find the good 5.7 rounds anymore. You can buy 7.62x25 in 1260rd cans for $86 that will defeat soft body armor, the same amount of lame 5.7 that will not would cost you $500. Not sure what the good 5.7 costs, maybe double that? Think about the price margin when you are buying ammo 5,10k rounds at a time. You can get ar uppers in 7.62x25 that will run a semi and auto lowers. Tokerev lacks high capacity mags but it is very thin to carry and a good shooter.
     
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    What retard would hunt medium game with a 5.7x28, unless it was the only gun you had and your survival depended on it? Not to mention that it wouldn't be legal in any state, to the best of my knowledge.
     
  24. Shawn Dodson

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    Jacksonville County Sheriff's Office stopped using 5.7x28mm after several shootings with it in which it failed to quickly stop violent criminals. Their results mirror the disappointing experiences of other law enforcement agencies who've also used 5.7x28mm in shootings.

    Several of the victims shot at Ft. Hood were unaware they'd been shot.
     
  25. c5_nc

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    More likely legal in most states, no restrictions here. I know some states have 30cal an up restrictions, but many are do not have any, or are 22 and up.
     
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