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Why would anyone choose a Autoloader instead of a revolver?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Drgong, Aug 29, 2008.

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  1. rollback88

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    I have and carry both semi and revolver. I chose the M&P 9c for primary carry for several reasons. First, 10+1 vs. 5 or 6. Second, refer to the first. Of course, reliability is paramount - the M&P has never erred in any way from its first shot to its 1600th.

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  2. unreal45

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    Different actions for different factions.
     
  3. woad_yurt

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    Although I've owned 3 of them at one time or another, and have shot thousands of rounds through them, I've had a Makarov jam only once. It only jammed after shooting 400-500 rounds of Wolf w/o a cleaning. It then shot another 200 or so w/o a malfunction. Other than that, not one single jam. My Norinco TT33 clones don't jam either. Neither has my P3AT. The Mak, I think, is more reliable than a revolver. My K-frame gets kinda sticky if I shoot too many rounds through it w/o a cleaning. After hundreds of rounds, like above, it'd be a nightmare to pull that trigger as the cylinder surface would be dragging on the barrel because of all of the powder gunk.
     
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    Stick an already-fired (no bullet/powder) case in the magazine. It will either fail to feed or fail to fire. Guaranteed.
     
  5. Mike J

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    Of my 2 auto's the XD-40 has never malfunctioned. My Ruger P-944 did once I was shooting Remington UMC at the time. I quit using UMC & it hasn"t happened since think it was a bad cartridge. Probably 6 or 7 hundred rounds through the Ruger before that & the same since without a hitch. I still want to get a couple of revolvers eventually though but not right now-other autos are higher on the list. Oh & like someone else said its hard to beat the capacity & ease of reloading.
     
  6. roscoe

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    Sometimes you need a caliber that is not offered in an autoloader. .357 Magnum is my preferred caliber, especially when worrying about loose pitbulls in the neighborhood. There are so few 10mm guns out there, and none as easy to carry as a SP101.
     
  7. Stevie-Ray

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    Hmmmm......Glock 29?
     
  8. roscoe

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    Naah - the 29 is a brick compared to the SP101. I do have one, but it is not as concealable.
     
  9. jasonguerard

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    Autoloaders normally carry the capacity equivilent of two revolvers.
    Plus they're a lot flatter to conceal.
     
  10. MachIVshooter

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    My Witness Compact 10mm is slightly larger than a G29, and I find it carries and draws much easier than my 3" .32 mag SP 101. Also affords 7 more rounds than a .357 SP 101.

    As for the comment that it's just as easy to disable an auto as a revolver in CQB-try it, with carefully checked and double checked guns. It is much easier to bind a revolver cylinder than hold an auto out of battery. Even if the auto is solidly held, you are fighting upwards of 15 pounds of spring. And all your opponent has to do is pull back ever so slightly to lock it back up. I've done this drill, and I wouldn't bet my life on being able to hold an auto OOB. But if I manage to grab your revolver, you won't be able to cut one loose until I let go.

    Reliability.........

    I've experienced far more malfunctions with an auto than with a wheelgun. But the auto's were put back into service in seconds. Wheelguns had to go back in the case and required time and tools once home to get back into service.

    ETA;

    before I'm accused of being a revolver hater, I own 19 of the little spinners, from an 1868 mfr. S&W 1st model to a Ruger SRH .454.
     
  11. makarovnik

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    I shoot autos better, especially single action autos. I guess I don't have good trigger control or something.
     
  12. Marshall

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    I carry both and feel good with both. But I'll give the revolver an edge in the go bang factor.
     
  13. FullEffect1911

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    I'm not sure what kind of revolvers some of you guys have been shooting... But I have experienced far more problems with semi auto then with revolvers. The most typical malfunction with a revolver seems to be light strikes with some models, obviously this is extremely easy to remedy with a pull of the trigger. More major revolver problems are usually found early in the revolvers life such as a B/C gap that contacts, preventing the cylinder from turning, that's easy to avoid by just shooting it first and finding out any defects. Other less common problems with a revolver are not so easy to clear and require time.

    With semi autos, i find problems are much more common, but require less time to clear. However I have had semi auto problems that took just as long to clear as bad revolver jams.

    A lot of examples in this post seem to be with a revolver that is dirty as a pig and semi autos that are taken care of. We really should compare apples to apples.

    But lets assume they are both just as reliable.

    Revolvers have a much larger tolerance of bullet shape, and can tolerate different power levels of a given cartridge. Where a semi auto's spring would need to be swapped, a .44 mag revolver will greedily take .44 specials or .44 mags of all sorts of different power levels, no modification required. Try getting a semi auto that will handle two legged critters up to big bruins.

    Obviously a semi has higher capacity and faster reloads, but lets not just discredit a revolver as antiquated junk, they are indeed just as good for self defense as a semi auto. Find out which works better for you and use it in confidence. Both are good choices.

    Plus you can get revolvers in .45 colt. :neener:
     
  14. Hawk

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    Note to any noobs reading what's turned into a "versus" thread from a tongue-in-cheek beginning: he didn't mean it.

    Well, he meant it based on the assumption you can tell a squib from a light strike. If you can't, or have never experienced either, you should probably do what the owner's manual says and DON'T "just pull the trigger again" without checking. We won't cover your medical bills or replacement cost for your revolver from "just pulling the trigger again" if it turns out to be a newly hatched barrel obstruction.

    "Just pull the trigger again" is a mantra recited in revolver "love" and "versus" threads and is not intended to be serious advice on procedures for misfires - although it will generally be repeated every half-dozen posts in "love" threads and every dozen in "versus" threads.

    Yummy:
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    Whole thread:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=162282
     
  15. Dravur

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    well....

    Just to throw in a few cents...

    Revolvers are favored by fogeys.... they don't cotton to any newfangled gun with a slide... Why, if it was good enough for their pappy, then it is good enough for them. You have to remember, most of these guys grew up before Semis were even invented.

    Now, The guys who carry autos, well, we are young, hip and so cool we just exude frostiness. We are high Speed, lo Draq and we are operators.

    Us auto carriers have the motto, "If something is worth one shot, it is worth 16 more."
     
  16. Hawk

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    Interesting conjecture.

    As I age and embrace my inner low-speed high-drag fogey I find myself simultaneously buying more revolvers but still shooting SAO autoloaders considerably better as my crustification is inhibiting my ability to master the suckage of the double action trigger mandated for defense use.

    But the attempt is fun. Someday I may well put six DA revolver rounds into the same zip code and there will be dancing in the streets. A recent speed bump in the enterprise occured due to Grant Cunningham's blog regarding ignition issues with Fiocchi and S&B. My old-fashioned self demands that it go bang every time so I've been introduced to the joys of replacing strain screws that were dealt with indelicately by former owners. This results in mildly greater DA suckage.

    Mr. Irony notes that these revolver things generally have superlative single action triggers - but these can only be used out of sight of the range babes that will kick sand in one's face for not knuckling up and using the double action.

    Seems to me getting set in one's ways or becoming accustomed to a certain platform likely goes both ways. The revolver has a classic appeal but the trigger on a tuned 1911 derivative, at least in my case, overshadows any anecdotes about the beast not running. Add to that the fact that mine run well and they'll always have a place in the "serious if ugly tool" catagory. The revolvers are more "pretty and fun". I wouldn't wish to give up either.
     
  17. MrBorland

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    ...kick...kick...kick...

    If I still lived in the Metroplex, I'd mosey over to your lane and check out those groups. I'm getting suspicious. :scrutiny: I might be dreaming of a Bianchi Cup showing with your lost-in-the-mail groups.

    'Course, if I still lived in the Metroplex, I'd have to check out your 1911 to see what the fuss is about...wait...scratch that...I don't wanna know.

    Must...resist...I must...kick...kick...kick
     
  18. Rugerlvr

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    I jammed my 637 one day. I was using Sellier & Bellot LRN ammo, and the recoil was enough to unseat the bullet and let it inch out of the cylinder. Failure to feed with a revolver. I had to push the bullet back into the case with a cleaning rod. Happened twice in one box of ammo. Needless to say, I've not used S&B since.
     
  19. HB

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    Ever get a squib load in any gun :scrutiny: It's not coming out easily no matter what gun you have.

    I still don't see how people can say "if a revolver jams, it's broke". This is generally a true statement, but how many revolvers break? A jam in an autoloader is more common than a gun breaking, even if it is easy to clear.

    If an auto loader jams, clear it. If an autoloader "breaks", your just as screwed as you would be with a "broken" revolver :scrutiny: I have yet to see somebody whip in a new extractor to replace a broken one

    Revolver+Broke>Semi+Jam+Break

    Revolvers on average will be more reliable, easier to opperate and look better than auto's :neener:
    Semi's on average hold more ammo, can be easier to shoot, and can have faster reloads

    Pick which one you shoot better and fits in your pocket, whats the big deal?

    HB
     
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    I think SAO means Colt Single Action Army (a "cowboy gun if you will")
    Single action only..... A gun that requires cocking before a shot can be fired :neener:
     
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    If any of my autos actually ever jammed, I'm sure I would practice more.

    BTW... congrats! This is the lamest post I have seen all day.
     
  22. FullEffect1911

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    Since vs threads should only actually be applied to a self defense situation, this is infact good advice. And as you pointed out... this is not good advice for any other time and your disclaimer is appreciated for anyone unfamiliar to such things.

    And what's this about this old fogey stuff... i'm only a quarter century old and I happen to enjoy my revolvers more. :D

    And as a counter point to all of this bullet jumping crimp stuff, how about bullet setback in an auto loader. That has the possibility of certainly ruining ones day.
     
  23. ADKWOODSMAN

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    I haven't read all the posts but I remember one method of clearing jams that I have used in IPSC. I believe it came from Massad Ayoob who said the Israeli's simple turn the gun upside down and work the slide, most all jams are cleared in this manner.

    Revolvers--watch those squibs!
     
  24. Hawk

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    You are correct. I had previously whined about the "just pull the trigger again" canard and noted that a self-defense scenario would be an exception as I'd try to "shoot through a squib" in preference to simply stopping to assess the situation.

    I've only recently started getting in a twist about noobs reading mantras and interpreting them as advice but it's probably not much of a danger overall.

    A quarter century can qualify you as a fogey. There are a couple 14 year olds across the street that would cheerfully provide me with an affidavit to that effect.
    ;)

    My personal experience is opposite most that haunt the revolver forum (I realize this thread has escaped into the "general" area). I've had first person experience with any number of revolver tie-ups (due, I cheerfully admit, to my tendency to buy used revolvers and new semis) but have only read about set-back, rim-lock and the like. I know they're real but it's academic - it'll stop being academic the first time it happens to me but rim-lock isn't likely to plague my .40 S&W mutant 1911. Set-back is probably just a matter of time.
     
  25. Hawk

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    Surely you still visit?

    Dawson "service pistol" tuned STI VIP in .40 S&W. You will be well and truly doomed. ...and I'll take no small delight in being part of it.

    But, it's mud-rail plain, you'll still appreciate revolvers, but you'll never look at that DAO trigger the same way again.
    :D
     
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