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Why would I donate to THR?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lewis Wetzel, Dec 27, 2007.

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  1. Lewis Wetzel

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    I am a newer member but cannot help but see a very heavy-handed (IMHO) methodology of moderation. I dislike that. It inhibits discussion and an exchange of ideas.

    NO ONE would tolerate racism, vulgarity and name-calling, that's a given.

    But I've read and seen way too many threads locked here, more than I've seen on any gun board.

    So be it. It's your site. But TANSTAAFL.....

    Your board, your rules, your bills.

    I cannot contribute when it seems the moderators are somewhat thin-skinned. Nothing personal, I'm not looking for an argument, far from it. This is more in terms of an explanation. I know in advance that the margins of discussion here are constrained and that I'll need to abide accordingly.

    Your board, your rules, your bills. Fair enough.
     
  2. Old Fuff

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    Lewis:

    I don't think that its our moderators that have thin skins....

    And I'll do my very best to make up whatever amount you didn't contribute.

    It shouldn't come to very much. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Lewis Wetzel

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    Well, Old Fluff, if being a smarta$$ was a virtue, you'd be a good man.

    As it is, you are what you are.

    Peace be with you, brother....:)
     
  4. AStone

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    LOL!

    Oh, thanks, Fuff: best laugh of my day so far ... ;)
     
  5. ArfinGreebly

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    Thin-Skinned?

    I am baffled.

    Where is this thin skin of which you speak?
     
  6. Lewis Wetzel

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    You've got to be kidding. It's practically a joke on other gun boards.

    Take a look at the number of threads that are locked.

    End of discussion on my end. Do research and get back to me. I have personal experience with a half-dozen or more boards. This board seems to be, BY FAR, the one with the tightest leash on the posters. BIG TIME.

    But then, I wouldn't expect many who are long timers here to have such awareness. Call it a lack of perspective on your parts.

    That some deny it does not make it less so. As an outsider I can assure you, it not only exists, but is the object of.....'observation and comment'...by others on other boards.

    AGAIN, it is your board...I am not trying to inflict my values, just making a point with regards to MY values, and those things that are significant points with regards to providing financial support to an on-line board of any kind.
     
  7. ArfinGreebly

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    Kidding?

    No, I assure you, I am not kidding.

    I have recently lived through years of teen-aged children and their friends. They found some of my constraints unreasonable. They felt that some of my rules were a joke. They made deprecating remarks to their friends. They had their own ideas about propriety.

    I am no stranger to being told I'm "out of touch."

    The number of locked threads is an indicator of the effort required to enforce the THR standards. People like to argue on teh intarwebz and occasionally forget where they are.

    The fact that our standards are "a joke on other gun boards" is of little consequence. Other boards have their standards -- or lack of them -- and this does not translate to any obligation for THR to adopt their templates. We don't engage in criticism of other boards here. If other boards feel that the denigration of other segments of the community is somehow appropriate, then so be it.

    Research? As in, to go in search of external opinion, so that we may modify our conduct to conform with what seems popular? It may have escaped you, but the very name of this board is born of hard experience -- call it first-hand research -- over years.

    This board is not a popularity contest. It is a place established by its owner to facilitate civil discussion of guns and related interests. Not surprisingly, the moderating staff will be found to be people who share that vision.

    If it seems there is a "tight leash," it could just be that there's a sprinkling of members who need more reminding than others. Don't forget, there are literally thousands of people who attend here because they prefer the way things are run here. Nobody forces them to stay. Of them, several hundred are members of other boards -- guns, survival, blades, horses, motorcycles, and so on -- and have plenty of "perspective" in their selection of on-line content. The ones who are here, are here by choice.

    It is interesting that you hold their choice in such contempt.

    Don't worry about our values. The principles on which The High Road was founded are nurtured by both the staff and members.

    You may decide, in time, that you like it here. Or maybe not. That's certainly for none of us to say.

    But, should you decide you DON'T like it here, and yet insist on staying, then I would question your judgement and/or motives.

    If you decide to be disruptive, one of the staff will help you with that decision.

    Do as you will.
     
  8. grampster
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    " As an outsider I can assure you, it not only exists, but is the object of.....'observation and comment'...by others on other boards."

    Frankly and politely, one can only hope "an outsider" is what you will remain. I'm with Old Fuff, I'll gladly contribute what you might have as it wouldn't be much, monetarily or verbally.
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    Lewis:

    Well I don't know that the opinions expressed on other fourms and boards really concern me. From my perspective what our membership thinks is most important, and I notice that the membership here seems to keep growing.

    I have also noted a number of recent posts from new members that stated that they came here because there is some moderator control to keep order, and hopefully keep threads from degenerating into open warfare.

    Fortunately there is freedom of choice within the Internet community, and you are free to go wherever you might be most confortable. Perhaps with the monetary savings you will have gained by forgoing contrubutions to this forum, you will be able to set up your own. That one you can run according to your own values and rules.

    Peace be with you Bro... :)
     
  10. average_shooter

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    Why is this issue being taken up in this thread?:confused:

    Shouldn't this be a different thread...? If it is to continue at all...?

    I guess I just don't see the point in going to a thread about donating $ to support THR to say you don't like THR...

    EDIT: My above comments are less relevant since this thread was split from the previous one...
     
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  11. Lewis Wetzel

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    Frankly, the responses from mods and members here has me a bit flummoxed...

    Methinks you doth protest much.

    This board is quite anal in its constrictions on members comments, ancillary remarks, and off-topic comments.

    That is the way it is.

    Again, that you do not perceive it at such does not alter the reality that it is so.

    Get a grip. I have the feeling that I am among people who never discovered that politicians lie, or that someone may deceive you, or that things may not always be as you were told as children.

    Arfin Greeley's post is almost laughable in the most extreme degree he goes to stipulate this and that, when none whatsoever was questioned.

    Please....hide your virtue and covet it, but do not pretend that it is something it is not...Jeeeez.

    Most assuredly we have a protesting lady here, Arfin...for someone who asserts that he does not give a damn about whatever others think, you certainly go out of your way to posit your unstained and unblemished virtue for the coven within....Good for you...

    Heck, all I did was give a post regarding why I wouldn't give you any money...and so many take it as an opportunity to post your diatribes of indignation.

    Really, guys....give it a rest. It's only the internet.
     
  12. Justin

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    Lewis, THR is far from the only forum on the internet.

    If you think we're a bunch of big ol' thread-locking meanies, go join another forum somewhere else.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. possom813

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    I'm a semi-active member on several different forums, as in I post when I feel the need. So far, this site has proven to be the best run forum that I've visited. I appreciate the fact that I don't have to scroll through several dozen posts of "look at me be a jackass" threads to find a post of consequence.

    Anyways, that's my .21 pesos

    -John
     
  14. TexasSkyhawk

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    Thanks, Lewis.

    You've helped me do three things:

    1. Realize that you know about as much about this forum/board as you do the world of firearms and shooters (believe it or not, I've read a few of your "opinions" wink wink) and therefore decided that

    2. I need to donate to THR to help fund a place where the difference between the shooters and the keyboard shooters can be differentiated, which in turn will remind me to

    3. Put you on the "Ignore" function that I hope is available in the Control Panel.

    I bet you had no idea you could be this valuable to a forum eh?

    Jeff
     
  15. tydephan

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    Lewis,

    Is it common practice for you to post on other forums or call up charities and explain to them why you refuse to donate? Or are you simply trying to stir the pot?

    Look --> I can understand if you don't want to donate. Don't donate. In no way are donations required to use, learn, and communicate via this forum. But the "stick it in your face" comments are over the top, disrespectful and quite frankly, very childish.

    Wow! Now that is awesome. I'm glad you've figured out you are better than every other member of this forum. Welcome to my ignore list. :D
     
  16. AStone

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    That describes me.

    I am a member of three other gun forums, one survival forum and a blade forum.

    Yet, I spend FAR, FAR more time here than elsewhere. (6000+ over 2.5 years compared to a few dozen elsewhere.)

    Why? Because of the quality of knowledge here, the respect that members show each other which has been enhanced by the quality of moderation. I've learned tons of useful information here, and made many new friends.

    I value the moderators' services; they help make this one of the best forums I've ever been part of.

    For those that don't like it, your solution is simple: go elsewhere.

    Nem A. Tocyst
     
  17. Robert Hairless

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    ArfinGreebly:

    Lewis Wenzel:

    Lewis Carroll:

    Conclusion of "Fit the Second" in Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark, a manual for moderators.
     
  18. Old Fuff

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    You have a good point. But the thread is here, and to ignore Lewis Wetzel’s posts might imply that a lack of response suggested approval. Wetzel claims to speak only for himself, and that the opinions he’s expressed are his own. Other members, including myself, want to make it crystal clear that that this is indeed the case, and that on the part of the membership as a whole, there is no desire that the forum owner or staff change the policies and rules that this one, very short term member objects too.
     
  19. jdkelly

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    Absolutely, I’ve seen people disparage THR on other boards, but I’ve never seen it done by someone whose opinion I value.

    Some don’t seem to do well here, I guess the problem could be the thousands of people who post here or perhaps the problem lies with the few. But I wouldn’t expect a short time poster to have that perspective.

    Have a nice trip!

    jdkelly
     
  20. TexasRifleman

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    Yes, this board is so bad, so heavy handed in moderation, and so lacking in interesting posts that over the last 2 years or so it has become the only forum I read or post on with any regularity.

    Old Lewis there has decided in less than a month that he has "seen all THR has to offer". That's probably true but I think it has more to do with Lewis' ability to absorb knowledge than THRs ability to impart it.
     
  21. Lewis Wetzel

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    Actually I've been reading posts here, off and on, for quite some time..much more than a month. This invalidates your claim that I am unfamiliar with the actions of the moderators and some of the members here.

    Secondly, the action to delete this section of you 'good feel' contribution thread that is at the top of probably the most heavily traveled section of the board and send it down here demonstrates an interesting tactic. It is not surprising.

    Posted by moderator Justin:
    I generally would not expect such a puerile comment from a moderator. Why do you people take such umbrage for such little things? You people grossly exaggerate an imagined insult, then raise the childish challenge to just takes one's ball and go home.

    I probably won't spend a great deal of time here, as one can consume a great deal of time in self-entertainment on internet boards. As my interests are more in the area of long-range precision shooting and various black rifles, there are other boards where such areas of interest are more capably discussed. This board's membership and discussions are more entry-level or hobbyist level, though I'm sure there are exceptions. But that is beside the point.

    The 'thin skinned' factor is self-evident from the nature of the above posts. As for the rest of the issue, my previous statement said it all (one would have thought):

    Your board, your rules, your bills.

    Please restrain your collective urges to comment further....this IS a dead horse. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Kimber1911_06238

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    lewis,

    just wondering if you could give an example of a thread that got locked that you felt was important. There is a great deal of joking around on here, but it usually stays within the boundaries of good taste. So what topics got shut down that should have been kept open?
     
  23. Robert Hairless

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    Lewis Wenzel:

    Before the boy dashes off to do your bidding can he get you a toasted English muffin, make you a nice cup of tea, rub your feet, resuscitate your horse, or perform any other little service?

    That horse you on which you rode in ... it is a high horse, isn't it? I thought I recognized the breed. Pity it died. They tend not to be a sturdy breed and their droppings are exceedingly aromatic.
     
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    What is that old saying about...hmmm, "*....you and the horse you rode in on*"?

    It escapes me. Anyone here remember?

    Biker
     
  25. koja48

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    For the most part, I can truthfully say this is one of the better boards. Equally as truthfully, however, I will say that the moderators do an exceptional job for the most part, however, some on occasion, do tend to assume the role of "goderator." I still peruse the board occasionally, but rarely post anymore (this is the first in quite a spell). I personally reached my point of saturation when it was mandated that because someone posted it, it was so, and we would "believe." Sorry, but I form my own opinions based on the information provided and will question "far-fetched" claims when such is appropriate. When the individual I questioned suggested I stand out at 600+~yards and become his target, then said individual was not severely chastised for such a childish & irresponsible retort, I figured it was time for the old bald shootist to quit posting.
     
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