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Why you should be careful when buying from Century Arms

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Gelgoog, Jan 12, 2011.

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  1. Gelgoog

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    Usually I am not one to post youtube videos to support my case, but this one was well done.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0J5n4lkKwQ&feature=player_embedded


    A) their workmanship is spotty at best, and their quality control is abysmal by industry standards.

    B) their 1 year warranty starts at the time it leave the factory, not at the time you take original ownership

    C) if your buying a century product off someone else, chances are its already off warranty, so you better make sure its 100%

    D) if you do have problems and managed to get in before the warranty expires, they will either fix the weapon or replace it. If they fix it you better hope they do it within a reasonable time frame and pray that it actually got fixed because you probably won't get a second chance. If your weapon was replaced and exhibits the same problem as your previous weapon or has different problems of its own.....well your out of luck because replacement weapons have no warranty.

    So in the end, while century does have a competitive pricing index on their weapons which allows them to capture vast swaths of the budget conscious market (or people who do not know any better), the sad fact is that the probability of experiencing a problem with a century product is higher than most other manufacturers. This combined with an almost non-existent warranty means that at the end of the day that cheap firearm will probably end up costing you more to get fixed than it would have if you would have spent the extra money to buy from a reputable company that stands behind their products.

    This leaves you with two options if you insist and taking the gamble and buying a century product.
    1) inspect the weapon thoroughly before taking ownership of it. Most of the common flaws can be detected if you know what you are looking for. However many will not surface until you have taken it to the range, at which point it is probably too late.

    2) buy the century product from a company who "certifies" that the weapon is issue free and offers their own warranty on top of century arms (Henderson defense would be an example).
     
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  2. Nick5182

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    There are a lot of good points there. It seems to me most people buy century weapons for a range toy and don't expect them to see hard use. Either way a gun is supposed to function. I've read horror stories about the C93 they put out (HK93 copy). I heard the recievers and parts they use for them are extremely worn military surplus rifles converted to semi-auto and they have many problems because of this. And for the price I've seen them ($700+) there's no excuse for the gun not to function correctly or hold up.
     
  3. Jaws

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    Maybe they should send their technicians for training to those caves in Pakistan. Those kids could teach them how to make an AK. :D:evil:
     
  4. WardenWolf

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    I have a Century AK underfolder and a Century Golani. Both good rifles. I did, however, personally pick out the Golani at J&G Sales. I looked it over and everything seemed fine. Shoots a little right, but the sight block isn't canted and just needs some major windage adjustment. After this, though, I won't buy any Century-produced gun I can't look over in advance.
     
  5. Dr.Rob

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    I'm not sure this is in the right forum, but that was a really informative video.
     
  6. Gelgoog

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    I put it in here, because most of the problems with century are with their rifles that they personally work on, hence this is where people are more likely to get the message.
     
  7. WardenWolf

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    I'm not sure if such a warranty limitation is even LEGAL in all states. I would strongly doubt it.

    That being said, shame on the person in the video for not doing his research on the firearm before purchasing it. He purchased a firearm that had a pretty commonly known issue, and a few minutes of Internet research would likely have uncovered it.

    For the record, Century PSL's are actually not monkeyed with by them. They are manufactured wholly in Romania in the same factory as the military PSL's. Everything on those guns, except for the scope, is new and unissued. Because Romanian scopes use tritium, which has a limited shelf-life (and also has some import restrictions), they issue new scopes to the military and package older scopes on the export rifles.
     
  8. nalioth

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    I truly hope you got a "good one", because the show-stopper that afflicted some of the Golanis was improper heat treat of some critical receiver areas.

    You can't examine for improper heat treat - you only find out after you've shot it and your headspace starts wandering :eek:
     
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    But but but. Century is Just as good as Arsenal or Krebs...
     
  10. avs11054

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    I bought a century off gunbroker new. The seller assured me the gun would function perfectly and shoot straight. So far on three range trips, I've put 180 rounds through it, and it'll hit a man sized target easily at 200 yards. The only problem I've had is the range keeps telling me they have to close for the night. :D
     
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    oh btw...mine was a wasr 10
     
  12. Joe Demko

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    The internet is an amazing thing, to be sure. It lets us share and endlessly repeat information. It is up to us, though, to interpret that information and understand that one incident described many times is not the same thing as many incidents.
    Is Century Arms International a first line manufacturer? No. Absolutely not. OTOH, they sell items that none of the first line manufacturers are offering. Their quality control could be better, but their prices are low. Why is this a virtue for Keltec, but a flaw for CAI?
    I've bought a bunch of stuff from Century over the years, always because it was cheap and I figured it would be, at worst, a project gun. I've never yet bought anything from them that didn't run. The only one that actually required any work was a Maadi AK. The front sight was canted. I also refinished it, but that was a matter of taste, not a requirement. Everything else ran like a top and exhibited fit and finish that were (in light of the price) acceptable to excellent.
    Don't buy a used Chevy expecting a new Mercedes; but don't assume that because one guy has problems with his old Chevy that none of them work. Caveat emptor is true of CAI, but it is true of all the gun merchants.
     
  13. Gelgoog

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    Really Joe? Yea this is the first time someone has had a problem with century arms. I have had problems with century arms, everyone I know has had problems with century arms, and likely every they know has had problems with century arms. This is not the case of one glock blowing up and suddenly everyone is repeating how bad glocks are.

    The issues with century arms lack of quality control are well documented. However this thread is not about century releasing a bad produt, it is about century's horrible warranty service and the fact that you probably will not be able to fix a weapon you have a problem with because it will be off warranty by the time you take ownership of it.
     
  14. Davek1977

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    My only experience with Century was entirely positive.....My WASR does everything I expected it to and hasn't disappointed me in any way. Your mileage may very, but its not as if EVERY rifle they put out is a lemon, as many would seemingly have you believe.
     
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    I hate AKs & im loving this thread
    I do have an American made AK
    I call it a MINI 14
     
  16. Joe Demko

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    I doubt that.
     
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    Interarms Tantal-->what I bought. Has original Polish chrome lined barrel.

    EDIT: Watching the video. That's freaking pathetic.
     
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    I lol'd heartily.
     
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    So what is the deal with Henderson's 'Certified' CAI weapons? Do they actually honor the warranty? Because their policy states the mfr is liable for warranty work. If the rifle is out of warranty date per Century is Henderson going to fix it?
     
  20. Gelgoog

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    then you need to open your eyes and read more. You can't go to one gun board asking about century arms without people warning you about problems they had with canted front sights, excessive mag wobble, keyholing, improper headspacing, the wrong barrels being installed, improper heat treatment, etc.

    These problems exist on every platform that century has worked on from their WASRs, HK91 clones, HK93 clones, Sterlings, Polish Tantels, etc. Really the weapons in which century does not seem to have consistent quality control problems with are the ones in which they merely import and do not touch/ or farm out for others to work on.

    It is very hit or miss with century, as they say even a broken clock is right twice a day. Alot of people who know nothing about firearms also do not know what to look for or do not shoot their weapon enough to notice a problem. I have been to many gunshows where people are selling their century products only to point out to the vendor that the FSP is canted amongst other problems after they had assured me that it was good to go.
     
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  21. Joe Demko

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    Ratchet it back, Gelgoog. I am reporting from my own experience with Century Arms International products and from what I have seen of them at my gun club. You can't go to any gun board without finding people who have a negative attitude about any brand of gun you care to name. There are plenty of posts out there complaining about Colts, S&W's, Glocks, Rugers, Bushmasters, Remingtons, et. al. You having negative attitude about CAI in particular does not change the fact that I have had overwhelmingly good experiences with their products. When you started making statements like
    is when I started having problems taking you seriously.
     
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    The youtube wrong about replacement rifles not being covered under their warranty. Century Arms might have said that because the replaced rifle was no longer under warranty and they didn't want to extend their liability, but the policy says, "The (1) year period does not start over if a firearm is repaired and reshipped."

    The poster read this as "repaired or reshipped." Clearly a replacement rifle is not repaired and reshipped. Aside from the fact that a replacement cannot be reshipped, in any case, as it was never shipped before, it is clear that replacement rifles are not expressly excepted from the warranty.
     
  23. Gelgoog

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    The difference between Century and other manufacturer complaints on gunboards is the dispropotionate number having to deal with century.

    When everyone is telling you not to buy century unless you can inspect it first hand, then that should let you know that the company has QC problems. Now there are other companies out there that have likewise reputations such as Kel-tec and Hi-point, yet those companies stand behind their product with a good warranty. Century instead knows it is putting out bad products and starts their limited one year warranty from the time the gun is made....no one else to my knowledge does that.

    They are banking on the ignorance of their customer base and their low price point to stay in business.
     
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    Clearly any importer can't warranty for life a surplus Eastern European arm. That makes sense.

    But the warranty policy on a firearm THEY 'manufacture' is certainly an eye opener, particularly with an out of spec barrel.
     
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