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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Blarelli, Nov 21, 2007.

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  1. Blarelli

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    Why do you think it is that none of the major gun manufacturers (ruger, glock, S&W, Sig, etc.) are in the 'pocket auto' market? Most of them have compacts, or sub compacts, but no true pocket guns that I can think of.
     
  2. Exmasonite

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    WHY?


    does somebody title a thread with a single, cryptic word without further elaboration?
     
  3. Walkalong

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    Ditto. I almost skipped it, but curiosity killed the cat you know. ;)
     
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    Beretta does
     
  5. Blarelli

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    Yeah, Beretta has the ?tomcat? .32 acp. Why isn't any of the other big boys in the game?
     
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    probably none of them want to get the name that gets associated with the fact that a great % of crimes are committed with such guns... look at how kel-tec and hi-point get blasted in the news...
     
  7. Bezoar

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    Most of the companies you have listed make their bread and butter from government contracts. In essence their bottom line and livelyhood depends on having a product that the government purchassing agents LIKE.

    IF the person who buys 100,000 handguns from you every 8 years likes big full size handguns, and does not like the existence of easily carried pistols for citizens, you tend to focus on full size handguns to keep that purchaser buying from you. As a result you dont really care for the design of small pocket guns because engineers and weapons design is expensive, and the pocket gun market is already dominated. Hence why go to the expense of more engineers, r and d work, and machine costs to make a product that your main buyer will not purchase, and may stop buying from you based on that pocket gun you just released to a very small consumer demand last month?
     
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    Because.
     
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    Frankly they stick to what they know. The difference between a pocket pistol and a Sub-compact is HUGE (Ironic, kinda). What I am more surprised is that somebody like S&W does not buy Kel-tec.
     
  10. Halo is for Kids

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    I've often wondered that myself. I'd like to see an alloy frame P3AT.
     
  11. Thernlund

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    Maybe there's not enough money in such a product line unless you specialize in it. Manufactures have to pick and choose which products they're going to make, eh?

    You could just as easily ask why they don't all make shotguns. I bet Glock would make a good one.


    -T.
     
  12. average_shooter

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    LOL.

    Anyway, what about Taurus? They're getting bigger and their line seems to run the gamut, everything from large-frame autos to pocket .22s.
     
  13. Autolycus

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    Well couldn't pants manufacturers make larger pants pockets, thus making Glock 26/27 and HK P2000sk size guns pocket guns?
     
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    References?
     
  15. JDGray

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    Why can't people write what they want, without others questioning why?:confused:
     
  16. Thernlund

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    Indeed.


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    I dunno, but I'm with Thernlund: Am anxiously hoping Glock comes out with one. Til then, I'll carry my Tomcat. May get one of the PPSs once they've been around a year or two and worked through any first run bugs that may appear.
     
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    I actually meant to say Glock would make great shotguns, but now that you mention it, a "pocket auto" from Glock would be pretty slick.


    -T.
     
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    S&W, Taurus, and Charter Arms all address the pocket carry market with snub-nosed revolvers, some of which have shrouded hammers or internal hammers which are designed for firing from inside a pocket multiple times...:D

    just try firing multiple shots from inside a pocket with a semiautomatic pistol :neener::scrutiny::what:
     
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    FYI: if you scroll your cursor over the thread title,you can read the first couple lines of the post,it speeds up seeing if something's worth reading.

    As to why,it's been already answered but pocket pistols are almost exclusively an American market these days and a small one at that.Glock can't bring in their .380's because they don't meet enough points.They could build a smaller pocket model here but I'm sure if Gaston thought it worthwhile,it'd have been done already.I think there is also some degree of reputation that some manufacturers would like to keep.Like it or not,there is certainly some degree of wanting to be associated with law enforcement and military use while small pocket autos tend to have a less palatable reputation.I'm sure the Brady Bunch would be banging gongs and screaming if Glock and SIG introduced new "pocket rockets".S&W tried it with the small Sigma but they are fairly horrible pistols,I strongly doubt you'll see an M&P backup.
     
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    Cuz they're "mouse" guns, that's why.
     
  22. The Lone Haranguer

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    There certainly are very few service caliber (9mm Luger and up in terms of power) pistols of a true pocket size.
     
  23. Halo is for Kids

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    I'll second that: a small, lightweight, direct blowback 9mm with agressive checkering.
    -Sounds like one of those sci-fi disaster films "We can do it, but at what cost?"
     
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    Also from what I understand GLOCK could not make one, if it was in .380 because it would violate the "Sporting purpose" isn't that why we cant buy a G25 in the US?
     
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    There are some major manufacturers that make pocket sized pistols:

    Beretta has a few offerings in pocket sized pistols. They range from .32 autos, to .25 autos, to .22 autos. Yes these are the so called 'pocket guns' all, but they call them sub-compact models. Why do they call them such, because 'pocket gun' is politically incorrect in today's world.

    Glock makes the Models 26 (9mm) and 28 (.380), both easily concealed in a pocket.

    Smith & Wesson makes the model 40 revolver with the shrouded hammer (they shroud it for a reason - so it does not grab your pocket on the way out). Granted not a pocket auto, as it is a revolver, but still can be a pocket gun.

    Taurus (definitely a major manufacturer whether or not they make fine quality pistols, or junk) has 4 pages of pocket sized pistols listed on their website.

    Walther makes the PPK and PPK/S lines, all easily fit into a pocket. They come in .32 Auto and .380 Auto. They were, along with Berettas, the pocket guns of choice for many years.

    Now if you don' think of these as pocket guns, what is it of which you are thinking?

    All the best,
    Glenn B
     
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