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WI Recent CCW News and a Poll

Discussion in 'Legal' started by StopTheGrays, Jan 23, 2006.

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  1. StopTheGrays

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    http://www.wiscnews.com/bnr/news/index.php?ntid=69812&ntpid=0

    There were some quotes from our side but those made to much sense and were not as funny as those listed above.

    I also found this online poll. So far it is about 50%-50%.

    http://www.wiscnews.com/pdr/
    Poll about CCW
    Do you believe allowing residents to carry concealed weapons poses a safety risk to your community?
    Yes
    No
    Not sure


    http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/13675034.htm

    AP story from Minnesota about our veto override chances. The article is neither pro nor anti CCW and is pretty fair. One part in there has me a little scared though:

    Sounds like we may have a situation like last time. Anybody know what Doyle might be offering to him that would make him hedge?
     
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    Gonzales vs Castle Rock.....

    says it all......................the police are not obligated to protect the individual citizen..........I wonder what part of that Supreme Court ruling they don't understand...........chris3
     
  3. Trip20

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    Those quotes make me ill.

    I didn't know there needed to be enough "crime" in order to warrant self-protection using the most effective tool(s) available. Sheriff Randy Stammen should be ashamed of himself. :barf:
     
  4. sturmruger

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    At least we are making progress!! Now we just need to get this back through the Assembly and the Senate and we will beat NE to the punch.
     
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    "Kluge, who carries a gun around with him, says he does not see any need for people to carry guns around with them."
     
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    If the police wanted my respect, they'd stop preaching anti-SecondAmendment bigotry in uniform.
     
  7. Trip20

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    Amen StandingWolf.

    They need firearms to perform their duty, which is to bring criminals to justice. Yet, we as lowly sheeple citizens do not need firearms to protect ourselves from these very same criminals??? I don't get how people can take his comments and knod in agreement.
     
  8. StopTheGrays

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    Another Story on CCW

    http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories/index.php?ntid=70013&ntpid=1


    The story has an unusual twist. Some business owners are against CCW for the most bliss-ninny-esk of reasons but the chief of police is not against it (it being the PPA...in case it confused some people).


    First, the anti-CCW comments. If you are too pressed for time to read the entire quotes I will sum up. Increased crime, blood in the streets, etc.

    :banghead: :banghead:

    Now for a dash of common sense.

    He is one of a handful of Chief LEOs who I have ever seen quoted in a newspaper article in WI that is not against CCW. Hopefully we will see more of this.
     
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  9. Maxwell

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    I think cops with guns are a threat to everyones safety, its obvious with the number of accidental shootings they have every year. Some officers even shot when their own weapons accidentally discharge!

    [​IMG]

    They arnt soldiers, they obviously dont have enough training with their weapons to use them on the same streets where children play.
    Even worse you let private companies and bodyguards carry lethal weapons whos only purpose is to kill other humans. Even full auto machine guns and indescriminate scatter-shot firearms!

    Since they just cant be trusted to shoot the right people or store their weapons in a safe manner, We should pass legislation that forces them to make do with more effective meathods of self defense.

    It would make the world safer, for the children you know...

    </sarcasm>
    :evil:
     
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    Maxwell,

    I love your chart !!!!


    Some in WI needs to go to Doug Pinhead of Brodnow and explain CCW, he seems rather confused on the concept.

    In the movie 'Dirty Harry' wasn't Clint Eastwood a cop ?????? :rolleyes:




    "Captain, the Irony Meter's in the red !!!"
     
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    ALWAYS expect the police, by and large, to be "skeptical" of the need of citizens to have a right to bear arms. supporting that right for citizens is the same as them saying "we need help", or "we are not doing an efficient job". you certainly cannot expect them to make such statements in regard to their performance.

    police have hard jobs, so i'm not disparaging the quality of their work. but armed citizens would and do make their jobs easier. they won't admit it because it's a matter of pride.
     
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    I can't blame police for their stance on CCW. Day in and day out, they see the effects of lawlessnes, violence, and just plain evil. Of COURSE a police officer that sees lots of gun violence will be anti-2a. Most of his experiences with guns are negative, except for his carrying of one.

    EDIT: The poster above me had another great point that feeds into mine.
     
  13. Trip20

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    I don't suppose armed citizens make law enforcement’s job easier at all, carlrodd. Crime will still take place; it's just a matter of who is zipped up in the body bag; the criminal, or the victim.

    So the police - who most inexorably show up after the commission of the crime - still must carry out their investigation, and all the other facets associated with a committed criminal act. Their workload will remain the same. It's not about their workload.

    It's about the guise that law enforcement officers need weapons for protection from the criminals they seek to apprehend. If that is true, we as citizens need protection from the very same criminals that seek to violate our security and safety.
     
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    hair-splitting AND i still disagree.

    most violent crimes require insane amounts of very careful investigation, court time, appeals, on and on and on. acts of self-defense still require due process, but there is one HUGE difference: those committing acts of self defense would typically be compliant. less investigation, less court time(if any) and few appeals. ask a cop if he would deal with compliant citizens, or criminals that are trying to get over on the system...if they can be found.
     
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    Considering the very small percentage of WI citizens that will actually exercise their right to self-protection (i.e., obtain their permit, if allowed)... I maintain concealed carry will have little to no consequence on the workload of WI law enforcement.

    How many citizens reside in Texas? What percentage of those citizens hold permits? What percentage of those permit holders are involved in self-defense shootings? The percentages are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, that to assume permit holders play any significant role in an officers daily workload is derisory.

    On the contrary, I bet a very significant percentage of permit holders never even have to draw, let alone fire. Again, permit holders do not and will not have a significant impact on workload.

    This has nothing to do with workload.

    It's much more sinister. It's about and discriminatory mindset held by some - not all - law enforcement officers and law enforcement officials. We've had many officers sign post cards to their senators and reps in favor of the Personal Protection Act (PPA).

    The above article represents just one officer who fell from the moron tree and hit every branch on his way down.

    Agree to disagree - it's been nice chatting. :)

    I think we agree it's wise not to expect law enforcement to jump on board concealed carry legislation... But disagree as to the reason for the same.

    Regardless of the reason, the outcome is the same. The outcome is what’s important, and what’s standing in our way.
     
  16. Monkeyleg

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    Anecdotally, most street-level officers I've talked to favor concealed carry.

    The reporters writing those stories must have had to look under every possible rock to find such idiots to quote.

    Every argument against concealed carry uses the same assumption: that, by getting permits, we're all going to be instantly transformed into criminals.

    What an insult.
     
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