WI: senate floor vote delayed

[Monkeyleg]

The WI state senate was scheduled to vote on SB214, the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill tomorrow afternoon. However, antics by certain Democrats in the Joint Finance committee have delayed the bill.

Opponents of the bill have been introducing one amendment after another to try to kill the bill. One senator, Gwendolynne Moore (D-Milwaukee), introduced over 60 amendments all by herself, and all designed to either kill the bill or stall the vote.

The staff at the office of the author of SB214, Senator Dave Zien, says they expect the stalling maneuvers to last into the night. Once the bill is out of committee, it will be scheduled for a floor vote in the senate, which should happen on Thursday.

For those not familiar with Senator Moore, her best-known asset is a shrieking voice that can curdle milk.

 

[StLGlocker]

The Democrat senators in Missouri tried the same thing. It went on for awhile, then the floor handler made a rarely-used motion to "call the question", e.g. end debate and force a vote.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Just thought I'd post one of Senator Gwendolynne Moore's amendments. She wanted to outlaw the carrying of concealed weapons within 1,000 yards of a "battered womens' shelter."

Now, I'm not an expert on battered women, but I would expect that such shelters don't have blazing neon signs out front advertising their presence. Inviting spousal abusers, you see. (Never mind that we have every kind of other establishment inviting the violent to invade by announcing that the residents are defenseless).

So, how is a permit holder to know if he/she is within 1000 feet of these shelters?

Senator Moore is just another of the "race-baiting poverty pimps" that OK Congressman JC Watts so accurately referred to. She, just like her other Milwaukee Democrat counterparts--white and black--exist because they espew and foment hatred, ignorance and divisiveness. Without that unholy trinity, she and others would be out of work.

 

[Gray Peterson]

Indeed.

Is there any way to get an update on the 23 amendments that were passed into the bill?

Also, that stupid "school zone" crap has got to go. If that's the actual law, sometimes I don't know if I'm within 1000 feet of a school. Technically, I'm within 1000 feet of Cornell High School on Cornell Road here in Hillsboro. I live about half a mile from it. Essentially if that law that I heard was part of the bill was put in place in Oregon, it would disarm me completely outside of my own home because the only bus route I take to work is the 48-Cornell, which runs on Cornell, right NEXT to the school. I am not kidding. I have no car, I use TriMet, and I can only imagine some of the transit users in Madison and Milwaukee having the same exact problem.

They need to strip that crap out of the bill on the floor.. School premises I can understand just to get the bill passed (I would use the Oregon example to defeat the idea of a whole bunch of restrictions), but the 1000 feet school zones crap is unconstitutional TRIPE.

 

[Standing Wolf]

School premises I can understand just to get the bill passed...

Why? Children's lives aren't worth defending?

 

[Gray Peterson]

(I would use the Oregon example to defeat the idea of a whole bunch of restrictions)

Note I said that. The only places Oregon prohibits carry by law for CHL holders are federally prohibited areas, and state courthouse complexes. That's it.

Wisconsin's current law already has a current prohibition on the books against carry in school and "school zones" as a seperate law. Instead of simply exempting license holders from the "school zones" provision of the law (Like Florida does with it's gun free school zones law with the exception of the premises itself), it requires a car or some other means of transport other than by foot to carry a gun into one of the "Excepted" areas..

What about those that cannot drive? The cusp of the exemption is that you need a CAR or a bicycle to transport you firearm if you have a license. I'm sorry, but there are some for one reason or another cannot drive. This discriminates against them in particular.

Monkeyleg, I'm not going to criticize your methods, but someone needs to make some noise about this stupid school zones law. EXEMPT LICENSE HOLDERS ENTIRELY! You might as well throw the entire license out the damned window if no one can carry in the general area of school. It's almost as bad as no-loaded gun car carry crap they are trying to force in Ohio to get CCW passed there.

 

[JonnyB]

We had the same thing in Minnesota. Ellen Anderson's whining would have been exceedingly humorous, had it not been excrutiatingly pathetic. Watching the live debate was frustrating as hell. It's a good thing nobody was near me at the time.

I imagine the hoplophobes are the same in every state & city.

Jon B.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Lonnie, these aren't "my methods." Our group's function is to get gunowner support and get folks to contact their legislators. I've had some input on the bill, but very minimal. The real player in this is the NRA, and I know they're not happy with some of these amendments.

What's happened is that certain legislators said they could support the bill only if Amendment X is added, so they can go back and claim some kind of victory. It's horse-trading, pure and simple.

The exceptions for hospitals, universities and so on could have been covered by the "no guns" signs provisions of the bill. But the hospital groups had several high-paid lobbyists working over the legislators, just as did the universities.

In the beginning, this was one of the best bills in the country. Now it will be average. Unlike some other states, we'll be able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, we'll be able to carry in parks, and we won't be subject to a lot of restrictions that some states have. But we'll have a few peculiar restrictions of our own.

It's a start, and not a terrible start.

 

[AJ Dual]

Just like the MO battle, getting anything on the books for shall-issue CCW is better than being defeated again.

Ammendments to CCW will be much easier than passing it. Especially after a few years and everyone has forgotten about "O.K. Corral, and BLOOD IN THE STREETS" etc. etc.

CCW reforms will be back-page news once the anti's have lost the major battle and dispersed.

What really matters is if violating the prohibited areas are treaspassing/misdemeanor or felony.

 

[Monkeyleg]

Andrew, carrying on property that's posted with a sign would be trespassing only if you refuse to leave after being told to do so. Carrying in one of the prohibited places would be a Class B misdemeanor. I'm not sure how churches, day care centers and other places that can opt to allow carry would announce their policies. I suppose a "Guns Welcome!" sign would be a nice touch.

We're just a bit more than three weeks away from a veto override. I sure hope people keep the pressure on.

 

[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/senate/sen23/news/PPA2003-001.htm