Monkeyleg
Member.
It's possible one of the Democrats who voted for the bill may already be saying that he or she will not vote to override.
Any suggestions on tactics?
Any suggestions on tactics?
WI: we may have a traitor on CCW. What to do?
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Preacherman
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A plentiful supply of tar and feathers comes to mind... 
cosine
Member
Mercy and forgiveness, Preacherman, mercy and forgiveness...Preacherman said:A plentiful supply of tar and feathers comes to mind...
Seriously, this is extremely disheartening.
I've been hoping that Wisconsin would eventually get CCW, so that when I come of age I would be able to exercise my rights without becoming a criminal.
jnojr
Member
Monkeyleg said:
Ask them why, and then do your best to counter whatever the "reason" is, and do whatever you can to show them votes hang in the balance. See if you can get any pro-gun Democratic voices in that lawmakers district to speak up.
fiveoboy01
Member
Well, I doubt that dousing said legislator with facts about CCW in various other states will do any more good. I'm sure Zien and Gunderson, along with various pro-ccw groups have done enough of that.
I'd be fairly confident that Doyle is attempting arm-twisting tactics again. Doesn't anyone realize that Doyle is under a microscope right now concerning various fund-raising issues? Can't anyone see that he's virtually guaranteed a loss in the next election, and that attaching your star to him will make you look like a loser, as well?
About all I can see that could be done is barraging with e-mails and phone calls. This SHOULD be about the rep's constituents, but I'm sure it's not. I'd go so far as to say that whoever you're talking about, Dick, has already made up their mind. I hate to talk of doom and gloom but I just can't help but remember what happened with sherman. The utter and absolute BS in politics infuriates me. How can you vote for something, then vote against it????
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I'd be fairly confident that Doyle is attempting arm-twisting tactics again. Doesn't anyone realize that Doyle is under a microscope right now concerning various fund-raising issues? Can't anyone see that he's virtually guaranteed a loss in the next election, and that attaching your star to him will make you look like a loser, as well?
About all I can see that could be done is barraging with e-mails and phone calls. This SHOULD be about the rep's constituents, but I'm sure it's not. I'd go so far as to say that whoever you're talking about, Dick, has already made up their mind. I hate to talk of doom and gloom but I just can't help but remember what happened with sherman. The utter and absolute BS in politics infuriates me. How can you vote for something, then vote against it????
:banghead:Fletchette
Member
Find out who it is and make it very well known. Politicians need to fully understand that the gun rights folk do not take kindly to hypocrites and back-stabbers.
Wiley
Member
If the person is known, clog their e-mail, fax and, phone with messages.
Constituents: Demand passage.
Non-constituents: request passage.
There is little else that can be done until they come up for re-election.
I hope you can make them see the light!
Constituents: Demand passage.
Non-constituents: request passage.
There is little else that can be done until they come up for re-election.
I hope you can make them see the light!
Make it know that the people will have their rights - even if it means (gasp!) open-carry! Let them (the congres-criters) understand that open-carry is already a slam-dunk and if they don't want folks walking around with a gun strapped to their hip in plain view, then they'd better get on the bandwagon and pass concealed carry.
Jeff Timm
Member
It's a Democrat-Communist, and you expect them to do ANYTHING right?
You allow Democrats to take over the Govenment, what do you expect?
Geoff
Who believes there are no legally elected Democrats.
You allow Democrats to take over the Govenment, what do you expect?
Geoff
Who believes there are no legally elected Democrats.
DonP
Member
Start with "reason"
Then go downhill, ... if you have to.
The potential "switcher" is getting wobbly for one of severalk reasons, some you can deal with, some you can't.
1. They have succumbed to the Brady and media pressure on "guns in school parking lots, shoot-outs in the Piggly Wiggly" etc. hype.
2. Doyle, or more likely his "people", have promised something in return for supporting his veto. Judgeship, committee chairmanship, campaign support in time or $$$, Membership in a country club etc.
3. They have been pressured by a phone in campiagn by the Brady crew.
I think if it's #1 you can reason with them and show that "their greatest fears" have not come to pass in any other state where it has been legalized.
If it's #2 you have to rudely point out that Doyle has to be in office to deliver on anything he promises and the local and national forces opposing him, on issues far beyond CCW are very impressive. Going with Doyle, who's re-election is a gamble at this point may not be a chance they want to take.
If it's #3 you may have to mount your own call in/write in/stop in program, preferably including some local cops, in uniform, to offset the chiefs making noise.
The bottom line on most of this is that gun owners have very long memories and vote more regularly than just about any other voting bloc, comparable to the AARP people. No elected official in their right mind (there's a qualification for ya!) really wants to tick off a major, regularly voting and contributing bloc.
Good luck!
Then go downhill, ... if you have to.
The potential "switcher" is getting wobbly for one of severalk reasons, some you can deal with, some you can't.
1. They have succumbed to the Brady and media pressure on "guns in school parking lots, shoot-outs in the Piggly Wiggly" etc. hype.
2. Doyle, or more likely his "people", have promised something in return for supporting his veto. Judgeship, committee chairmanship, campaign support in time or $$$, Membership in a country club etc.
3. They have been pressured by a phone in campiagn by the Brady crew.
I think if it's #1 you can reason with them and show that "their greatest fears" have not come to pass in any other state where it has been legalized.
If it's #2 you have to rudely point out that Doyle has to be in office to deliver on anything he promises and the local and national forces opposing him, on issues far beyond CCW are very impressive. Going with Doyle, who's re-election is a gamble at this point may not be a chance they want to take.
If it's #3 you may have to mount your own call in/write in/stop in program, preferably including some local cops, in uniform, to offset the chiefs making noise.
The bottom line on most of this is that gun owners have very long memories and vote more regularly than just about any other voting bloc, comparable to the AARP people. No elected official in their right mind (there's a qualification for ya!) really wants to tick off a major, regularly voting and contributing bloc.
Good luck!
denfoote
Member
Do you have recall in WI??
If so, start a recall campaign against them.
Let then know that if they vote for override, it will stop. If not, it will continue with the possibility of them being removed from office!!
If so, start a recall campaign against them.
Let then know that if they vote for override, it will stop. If not, it will continue with the possibility of them being removed from office!!
FireBreather01
Member
Are there any parliamentary tricks the Republicans can use to their advantage? Can they schedule the vote with short notice when one or more dems is out of town??? At this point I would support any political trickery to match Doyle's.
fiveoboy01
Member
denfoote said:
We do have recalls here, but I don't know how successful they've been. I know "Mayor Dave" had a recall attempt launched against him, and it failed.
The time wouldn't be there anyways, it appears that override attempts in the Assembly and Senate will happen by the end of this week.
MrTuffPaws
Member
I love it here: Democrats are DUMB!!! HURRRRR!!!!:banghead:
Did she state why she voted for the measure and might not vote for the override? I am currious to hear her reasoning.
Did she state why she voted for the measure and might not vote for the override? I am currious to hear her reasoning.
denfoote
Member
fiveoboy01 said:
It does not have to finish.
The task is to put pressure on this traitor.
All that needs to be done is to take out the petitions and start gathering signatures!! Schedule a big press conference on the day you file for the recall. Have a bunch of supporters ready to sign in front of the cameras. All that needs to be done, at this point, is to let the Democrat know that there will be repercussions for his actions!! Flood his office with e-mails and calls supporting his removal if he continues on his present course!! If you jump on it, it can be done!!
fiveoboy01
Member
MrTuffPaws said:
How do we know it is a she? I don't see anything here that indicates who it is. My guess is Van Akkren but I can't be sure.
Raven Jeff 2003
Member
Dick,
Perhaps you could be a little more vague.
Who is waffling?
What is your source?
What exactly did they say?
Details please!
These types of comments don't make you look important.
Jeff
Perhaps you could be a little more vague.
Who is waffling?
What is your source?
What exactly did they say?
Details please!
These types of comments don't make you look important.
Jeff
Lay it on the line for them...
Remember my post about the '07 CCW "Revenge Bill" should someone "go Sherman" on us again this year?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2184049&postcount=9
It was only half in jest.
This is the best deal they're going to get, period.
There is every likelyhood that Doyle will be a one-termer, and we'll just pass whatever we like next year with a simple majority. The bill is pretty good this year, but with a simple majority, we could very well pass the most liberal carry bill in the nation next time...
They could credibly say that they voted for the PPA to get the most restrictions possible to "protect" thier constituency.
If the last-minute switch is due to bribery on the part of the Govenor, well, there may not be too much we can do about that, if it's actualy a "principled" stance against CCW, the above might just work.
The PPA will pass, it's just a matter of time.
My second idea is to have the NRA promise to spend ungodly amounts of cash to unseat whoever turns, and make good on that threat. I'm talking an over the top direct mail, billboard and TV campaign.
However, I have no idea how to get the NRA to turn the heat up higher than they already have.
My third is that the WCCA distributes Mark Belling's e-mail address @ WISN and we get the mailing list to mail-bomb him begging to give the PPA the "Gas Tax Treatment" when the time comes for the Assembly override. It might backfire, but there is an e-mail link right on the Mark Belling show page. We'd have to generate some significant volume to be heard.
Remember my post about the '07 CCW "Revenge Bill" should someone "go Sherman" on us again this year?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2184049&postcount=9
It was only half in jest.
This is the best deal they're going to get, period.
There is every likelyhood that Doyle will be a one-termer, and we'll just pass whatever we like next year with a simple majority. The bill is pretty good this year, but with a simple majority, we could very well pass the most liberal carry bill in the nation next time...
They could credibly say that they voted for the PPA to get the most restrictions possible to "protect" thier constituency.
If the last-minute switch is due to bribery on the part of the Govenor, well, there may not be too much we can do about that, if it's actualy a "principled" stance against CCW, the above might just work.
The PPA will pass, it's just a matter of time.
My second idea is to have the NRA promise to spend ungodly amounts of cash to unseat whoever turns, and make good on that threat. I'm talking an over the top direct mail, billboard and TV campaign.
However, I have no idea how to get the NRA to turn the heat up higher than they already have.
My third is that the WCCA distributes Mark Belling's e-mail address @ WISN and we get the mailing list to mail-bomb him begging to give the PPA the "Gas Tax Treatment" when the time comes for the Assembly override. It might backfire, but there is an e-mail link right on the Mark Belling show page. We'd have to generate some significant volume to be heard.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
Sooner or later, the cause of individual freedom will win in Wisconsin, as it will do in Nebraska, Kansas, and Iowa, too. Better this year than next, but better next year than never.
Parruthead
Member
I've called all my freinds and family in the sheboygan area and asked them to write and or call Van Arrken. Hopefully this will help. Maybe you know somebody in one of the traitors district. Call them ask them to get hold of there rep and thank them for there vote.
Monkeyleg
Member.
Raven Jeff 2003, I'm not trying to look important. Frankly, I don't care how I look. I just want this done, and the bill to become law.
For the time being, I've been asked to not mention the legislator, until it can be determined whether this is a false alarm or not. It may take a day or two to determine that.
In the meantime, though, I was just asking for suggestions on how to react should the rumor be true. Folks from MN, MI, OH, MO, CO and NM have been though this meatgrinder before.
Any advice they might have is much welcomed.
For the time being, I've been asked to not mention the legislator, until it can be determined whether this is a false alarm or not. It may take a day or two to determine that.
In the meantime, though, I was just asking for suggestions on how to react should the rumor be true. Folks from MN, MI, OH, MO, CO and NM have been though this meatgrinder before.
Any advice they might have is much welcomed.
fiveoboy01
Member
Dick, is there a timeline yet for the override sessions??
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