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Wife is not a gun person: best non-lethals for home?

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by Arizona_Mike, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. FAS1

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    Mike, what exactly happens to her when she hears a loud noise? I would think that in the rare case that she had to discharge a gun to save her life the side effects would be worth it.

    Seems like synesthesia is more of a trigger of seeing colors, etc. when hearing certain noises, sounds, etc. I don't know anything about synesthesia, but I found this:



    My wife doesn't want to carry a gun and when with me she knows I will protect her. At home she knows how to access a gun if needed and she knows how to use them. One can be nurturing and still take appropriate actions to stay safe so they can nurture.

    It's just a matter if they want to or not, no matter what you want. I know plenty of people who gladly choose not to protect themselves and I just accept it and hope they are never in that situation. :(

    Layers of security and her being aware will go a long way. A knife, pepper spray, etc. could enhance her ability to fight back if needed, but even I would hate to depend on those items unless that's all I had.
     
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  2. Madcap_Magician

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    I think Fox Labs makes a spatter-pattern foam that might be a good answer. It's harder to get on the target area than spray, but with a riot-size canister in the home, you can make up for imprecision with volume, which is hard to do with a belt unit that only gives a few seconds of use.
     
  3. bubba in ca

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    I agree home watchdogs are more for warning than physically stopping anyone, but the warning is valuable. At my last house my theory was a "small dog and a big gun".The guy who doesn't enter the yard because the dog barked is one guy you don't have to worry about. And our little dogs are hyper and wake up the big dogs.

    A word on Chihuahuas--they suck! We received one from a relative who couldn't keep it in his room at another house. It's cute, everybody loves it, but he attacks German Shepards, steals bones, jumps up on tables to steal food, fights with the terrier till the terrier wins and then looks for sympathy. He is cute, but a turd!
     
  4. WestKentucky

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    Mote, crocodiles, drawbridge...or the modern equivalent. Big iron fence (preferably insulated and hooked to a good fence charger turned up fairly hot) with remote gate. Dogs would be great additions down the road. I would add that timers on a couple bedroom lights makes it look like more folks are at home than might actually be at home.
     
  5. Kevin Rohrer

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    I have lots of practical experience w/ stream OC; it works really well against both people and animals. Provide her w/ the police-issue type (its range is 15-feet) and a baseball bat. Once the OC takes effect (<5-seconds), then she needs to go medieval and beat the intruder until he is down and no longer moving. Seriously.
     
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  6. telomerase

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    Osama bin Laden, King Solomon etc. had the most practical idea... add three more wives and make sure that they have Krinkovs.

    But if you insist on opposing God's will as clearly spelled out in the Old Testament, then you'll have to go Dalek... I mean silicon.

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  7. DeepSouth

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    Since I haven’t seen it, here’s a link to the mega oc/pepper spray thread. Which is full of good information, unlike much of what has been in this thread.

    From memory, if your going to use OC indoors you would likely want a foam, the Kimber peperblaster would be fine if you hit the face. However if you miss it’s be useless. My advise would be to spend a day reading that tread and go from there.

    For what it’s worth, Bear spray does not come in a foam to my knowledge, so you’d fill the whole house with spray, also wasp spray doesn’t work on people. Not to mention both are illegal to use on humans, I seriously doubt anyone would ever be charged but in following with THR rules I can’t advise breaking laws.
     
  8. hdwhit

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    My younger son can "taste" the sound of the air dryers at the car wash at a local car dealership, but we were able to desensitize him to the sound of gunfire with time.

    He didn't shoot until he was nearly 16, but when he did, he took to it like a duck to water even though with ear plugs and headgear he still "tastes" every shot. Apparently, to him at least, gunfire tastes good.
     
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  9. hdwhit

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    As non-lethals go, my son has a one-word recommendation; Taser.
     
  10. hdwhit

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    What are you talking about?

    Solomon had 700 wives, princesses and 300 concubines (1 Ki. 11:3), not four.
     
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  11. SharpDog

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    FOX brand mace, comes in various sizes as well as spray or stream. I use it for dogs bc I don't want to shoot them. I had a pack of three of my neighbor's German Shepherd that would occasionally break loose and attack me in my yard. Even coming close with the stream was enough to put them off. I would recommend the spray though for human intruders.

    I also second the folks recommending dogs, I generally have at least 200+ lbs. of trained 'babies' around. Instead of a baseball bat as a finisher you might have her use a taser instead:

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    https://smile.amazon.com/Taser-Bolt...=1520463977&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=taser&psc=1


    Here's the spray:
    https://smile.amazon.com/Marking-Ou...&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=fox+pepper+spray&psc=1

    Large Home Unit:
    https://smile.amazon.com/Fox-Enforc...rd_wg=lKpOJ&psc=1&refRID=WN7H6Z5B727272C17TKE

    Smaller Unit:
    https://smile.amazon.com/Labs-Flip-...pID=41EyAarPjqL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

    Here's the stream:
    https://smile.amazon.com/Fox-Labs-M...&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=fox+pepper+spray&psc=1

    I also have one of these but I've never used it:

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    https://www.kimberamerica.com/pepper-blaster
     
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  12. RPZ

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    If the intruder is incapacitated by OC to the point of which they are no longer an immediate deadly threat in the moment, better be careful with a baseball bat. A blow to the head, neck, spine etc would be considered deadly force. Break any bone, and that would be considered serious bodily harm. If OC has the desired effect the next step is to exit pronto.
     
  13. Jake38

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    I would seriously consider an extremely bright flashlight and a fixed straight baton for home defense if the option of guns we're not on the table. For instance, a 1100 flashlight would seriously impair an Intruders vision at close range. It also doesn't always have to be extremely dark for these high lumen lights to cause visual impairment. A hard baton that isn't heavy would allow her to strike while maintaining distance from the intruder. I'd have a strap on the baton in case the intruder tries to disarm her. It's also good to know what body parts to punch/kick. For instance, a punch to the throat or a kick to the back of the kneecap would likely be effective if there is enough force behind the strikes. I just think this strategy is more reliable then a taser or some pepper spray.

    24 inch and 20 oz baton



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  14. Arizona_Mike

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    Thanks for the on topic replies guys ;)

    I have picked up a couple of the large SABRE Red Pepper Gel Home Defense cans. It's a low vapor pressure gel for indoor use and has a 5 year shelf life.

    Meanwhile on the gun front, she came home to a front yard full of Javelina but could not initially tell what they were in the dark (thought they were a pack of coyote initially) and wants me to take her to the range.

    Mike
     
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  15. lemaymiami

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    Here's an "old school" doorway defense that will work - if employed at close range. A simple fire extinguisher that uses powder at close quarters will blind and disable any opponent - and leave them marked for any responding officer. I actually had one instructor that favored a good sized fire extinguisher on the line during riot duties back in the stone age... He claimed that it was very effective and if concealed under a raincoat wouldn't be recognized as any kind of a threat until it was actually employed...

    The downside is the actual employment - but if kept at the threatened doorway - any decent sized powder fire extinguisher is an immediate entry blocker... We carried these kinds of extinguisher as part of our basic gear for every patrol car - and I've used them on more than one occasion to put out vehicle fires. Afterwards the amount of dust (or "chalk" ) was quite noticeable.
     
  16. JeffG

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    I thinks that powder is called Purple K. From putting our a few small fires with it, I remember it tastes "lemony". But it would be a total stopper to take a full on hit...:rofl::rofl:
     
  17. JSH1

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    Very good advice here. Better to keep people outside than worry about what to do if they get inside. Replacing all the screws on a door with 3 inch screws is almost free. I would also add some motion security lights. I'm not a fan of just turning on a flood light as that just allows a thief to see better while he steals your stuff. A motion light alerts you that something out of the ordinary is going on outside and alerts an intruder that he triggered at least one level of defenses.
     
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  18. zorro45

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    Large frying pan...
     
  19. labnoti

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    If your state's laws allow it, get a few of those big cans of OC spray -- the fire-extinguisher size. Sabre has 46 oz. cans, and 16 oz. cans. Yes, 46 oz. Why piss on them when you can blast them with enough OC to stop a riot? But the pocket size is also essential to keeping it on one's person so access to it is not prevented. Forget about wasp spray or anything that sprays a liquid or gas other than OC & CS. They're INEFFECTIVE. If they cause blindness at all, it takes a very long time.

    For non-ranged weapons, have a REALLY long one (6' to 7'). Who wants to get close enough to use a baseball bat, frying pan, kitchen knife, baton, tazer, or stun gun? Just think what you would pick up to use to keep an attacking dog from biting you. Pick one that will stop them at a distance that will prevent you getting hurt. There's a variety of effective pole-arms: tiger forks, swiss halberds, pole-axes, pikes, spears (not the throwing kind, don't throw your weapon away). What would you rather have? Kitchen knife, or kitchen knife secured on the end of a long stick?
     
  20. Kevin Rohrer

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    Really not a good idea. Tasers tend to be one-shot. You miss, you lose. And even if you hit, the probes come out pretty easily, which means you lose.
     
  21. Coop45

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    Get her a roommate with a bad attitude.
     
  22. labnoti

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    I agree. Tasers are for law enforcement who intend to apprehend the target. For the taser to remain effective, it has to remain in-contact with the target. In self-defense, the defender wants to get away as far and as fast as possible. OC spray will incapacitate them quickly and give an opportunity to flee.
     
  23. SharpDog

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    I also carry the pepper spray for use in conjunction with the taser
     
  24. Kevin Rohrer

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    who carries a center-fire rifle. :rofl:
     
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  25. labnoti

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    Have you actually trained with multiple canisters of spray, foam, and stream to see the difference for yourself?
     
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