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"Will a .45ACP kill a Grizzly?"

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by HHank, Feb 22, 2008.

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  1. HHank

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    Hey Class! My wife and a do a lot of hikeing in the MetroParks (some of which can be pretty "wild"). While there are no grizzly's there (that we know of) there are some black bears, bands of coyotes, herds of deer, etc. Anyway, the question came up that in a "tight" (at close range) how effective do you think a semi-auto .45 would be at stopping an angry bears charge? I own both .357 and .44 magnum revolvers and I know that they may be effective, but I carry a Colt .45 Govt. model (1991) that rides in a Bianchi "paddle" holster. It seems to me from firing it often that anything standing in front of it after it discharges should be off on a "celestial" ride for sure. I cannot carry a .357 or .44 magnum on these hikes. What do you think? What ammo should be used? As far as the legality of carrying such weapons in the parks, as the saying goes "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six. Thanks

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  2. WOODROW

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    I'm no expert when it comes to bears but I don't think they make any .45 acp round that would be overly effective on a 'angry charging" bear. My best advice would be at least a .44 mag. In the state of Indiana you can now carry concealed on, or in, any state park,or DNR property as long as you have a CCW permit. Good luck!!
     
  3. Ske1etor

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    I wouldn't trust anything less than a 105mm howitzer to stop an angry charging bear. I would stick with a .44mag just to be sure (I understand that you said that you can't carry a .44 but why would you ask this question if you aren't willing to change firearms anyway?)
     
  4. MT GUNNY

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    During our last hunting season here in MT a guy emptied his 45 in a attacking
    grizzly. He survived without a scratch, He notified MTfish and game They tracked the bear and gave up search after two days. They said ther was blood pools where the bear had stoped to rest, less with every stop.
     
  5. nbkky71

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    A .45ACP might kill a bear with proper shot placement. However, it wouldn't consider it a reliable 'bear stopping' caliber.

    If .45ACP is your only choice in caliber, be sure to choose a brand of ammunition that will maximize penetration.
     
  6. brickeyee

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    The correct question is "Will a .45 ACP kill a grizzly before it can kill me?"

    The answer is 'Not reliably'.

    You are more than welcome to undertake the test though.
     
  7. Mainsail

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    When you signed up there was a place where you could provide a location where you live. Having that information would help others to answer your question.
     
  8. bdjansen

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    Isn't there some kind of pepper spray made for grizzly bears that is 100 effective?

    I don't think a 45 would be very good at stopping a grizzly. It probably could be done but you'd have to make the shot of a lifetime.

    As for black bears, I don't think they attack people. I think short of alaska your biggest danger when hiking is still people. If your hiking somewhere where there is snakes you could carry some shotshell in a 38. I hate snakes.
     
  9. bdjansen

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    Also just so you know, there are no guns alowed on national parks.
     
  10. highorder

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    thats a joke, right? :)

    nothing is 100%, and a grizzly bear might just thank you for the hot sauce. :)
     
  11. 30-06 lover

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    Sure a 45 ACP can stop a bear charge, so will a 22 short so long as the bear is hit just right, but we are talking about a target smaller than a golf ball and moving all over the place at short range while you are hopped up on adrenaline.

    I suggest that you carry bear spray. It covers a much larger area than .45 and is reported to be just as if not more effective at stopping a charge than a handgun, but nothing is 100%.

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=bear+spray&noImage=0
     
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    There are worse ways to go

    Wilson Combat offers a 1911 in .460 Rowland which gives better odds in the 1911 platform.

    Assuming arguendo that a 1911 in .45 Auto might actually be capable of the task then I would believe only in hands more skilled than mine - I'd expect people who could consistently stop a charging bear with a 1911 to be fairly well known if only within limited circles. Jeff Cooper writes of the best field shot he ever saw - square between the eyes and into the brain on a charging buffalo with a .470 - works every time but it's not easy to make.

    Then too there was the man who took a tamping rod through his head and survived - nothing hand held is 100%.

    I've used a High Standard Derringer in .22 rimfire magnum solid for slaughter - never had a failure with a confined animal - don't plan to use it in the field just because a brain shot with a .22 has done well by me in the past.
     
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    10mm my friend.
     
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    Personal Defense TV - Charging Bear episode 34, air date 11/21/07

    "Back up, and make noise first"

    "Aim for the middle of the eye nose area. Use the nose as your aim point."

    "I would always carry a rifle first as primary defense, barring that a shotgun, and lastly my handgun"

    "Heavy hard cast bullets with as much penetration as you can get"

    If you can only carry a handgun, I'd opt for a 44 mag.
     
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    .45 ACP bullets are just too stumpy. Their SD is too low as is their velocity, which makes perfect sense given that they were designed for two legged critters from the start. If you want a .45 with more penetration you need a .45 Colt loaded hot and heavy with a hardcast slug in it.
     
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    I've shot a grizzly bear with a 10mm from a range of about 15 feet. The first two shots it didn't flinch (I'm 99% sure I hit it). The next shot it looked like it was stung by a bee and by the 4th shot it started to run away from me. After the 7th it was out of sight but I'll put it this way, if that bear wanted to have it's way with me it would have. As a result I've switched to a 460S&W.

    I've had literally hundreds of encounters with bears (black and grizzly) and if I had a choice between pepper spray and a 45acp I would take the pepper spray. Ya if you hit that bear in the eye with a 45acp you might kill it but lets be realistic, you're not going to be able to hit that bear in the eye.

    Considering how often this has been debated I just wonder if people asking if a 45 (or other small pistol caliber) will kill a bear are just trying to stir the pot.
     
  17. Willis

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    You can kill a "griz" with any pistol or rifle, but if you want him to die before you do, then get the biggest thing you can carry. I carry the 454. A big rifle would be better, but it is harder to carry than the Ruger Alaskan.

    Willis
     
  18. jimmyjackjones

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    I think this has been discussed on every gun forum over and over.
     
  19. sqlbullet

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    With regard to the pepper spray...

    It seems to me a few years ago there was a notice that hikers should wear little bells and carry pepper spray. The idea was that the tinkling sound would ensure you didn't startle a bear, and the pepper spray would ward it off if needed.

    They also said you should be familiar with bear sign, or scat. It has bells in it and smells like pepper spray:)

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
     
  20. Treo

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    I thought we didn't speculate on or discuss illegal actions on THR

    That said I live in Colorado and I frequently run into Black Bears. In all the times this has happened the bears have been more anxious to get away from me than I was from them. pepper spray would be a better ( and legal ) option.
     
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    What bullet and load were you using in the 10mm when you shot that griz?
    Just curious. Thank you. akraven
     
  22. jgo296

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    head head with fmj will kill a grizzly or when they roar a shot the hits the base of brain will drop it too
     
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    What bullet and load were you using in the 10mm when you shot that griz?
    Just curious. Thank you. akraven
     
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    sorry double post
     
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    head head with fmj will kill a grizzly or when they roar a shot the hits the base of brain will drop it too
     
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