Will a 6.5 Creedmore change your life

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  1. mainecoon

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    Having read how this round is more accurate than any other and can be used for everything from chipmunks to elk, I am thinking of selling my centerfires (.22-250, .243, 30.06) and just getting one really accurate 6.5 Creed. I also have an old Singer sewing machine that I won't need since the 6.5 will do it just as well at 100 yards. But seriously, is this round really magic? Do those who shoot it wonder how they ever got along without one?
     
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    magic? No! but seriously, it's a great round that can be used for many things. it's like this, king of nothing, but a jack of all
     
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    Just like I said in the 270 thread, I’m never going to tell someone they should sell their rifle to buy one, but if your buying something new anyway, you should take a hard look at it. It’s a sweet little cartridge.
     
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    Magic? No, but it is well designed, and we'll marketed.

    It's really no better than the 260rem, or other similar 6.5s, but it fits better in a 2.8" or shorter action.
    It is probably about the ideal 100-300lb mid range hunting cartridge. It can do smaller, and larger, but other rounds do that better.
     
  5. rule303

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    As a hunting cartridge it is no better than several other choices. It isn't super fast, doesn't have a huge amount of energy, doesn't shoot as flat as other common rounds at hunting distances. It will cover a lot of hunting duties very well, but there are plenty of times where a .243, .270, 7mag, or 300 mag would be better.
    As a long range target round it has a lot of benefits where those rounds fall short.
    It is a great all around cartridge, and it is refreshing to see a new round getting the kind of traction that it is. For the last 20 years almost every cartridge that has been introduced by the major companies had been some sort of Super Magnum burning tons of powder for a trivial gain in velocity, or duplicating ballistics of an existing cartridge in a shorter case.
     
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  6. Gtscotty

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    I remember when you used to be able to read something other than continuous streams of snarky sour grapes threads on this site.
     
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    I primarily use centerfire rifles for hunting and the 6.5CM is a little lighter than I would want. I'm sure it's more capable than I am giving it credit for, but I prefer a little more punch when I'm chasing big game.

    As a long range target rifle, everything I've ever heard or read about it would lead me to believe it's a great choice and it certainly has a lot of hype.
     
  8. silicosys4

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    Lol, no. It's a shiny new toy.

    The 6.5 cm has already been surpassed in performance anyways.
     
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    It's no more accurate than many other well designed cartridge. And it's a good middle weight hunting round. The thing that it does well is to put great long range shooting, mid weight hunting round all in a short action package.
    If you want one get one.
     
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    Its "magic" is - that it fits into a short action, like the .260 Rem, and, unlike the original .260 Rem offerings, has the same twist rate as the 100 year old 6.5x55mm Swede so that it will stabalize long ELD bullets. (just like the 100 year old 6.5x55mm Swede)

    The real "magic"? Is its marketing campaign - promoting it as a long range hunting round - superior to the old and tired .270 W.C.F.

    It has been absolutely... hypnotic.




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    If you compare specs with a 260 rem and a 6.5x55, well there just isn't any notable difference. Where the 6.5C wins is that you can get it in any rifle you want and there is huge variety of really really good factory ammo for it available everywhere and cheap. They did a suburb job of marketing it, and as rarely happens, it actually lives up to its marketing. Whats not to like?
     
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    Yes. You know that emptiness in your soul, that feeling of alienation from humanity, that horror that creeps in from time to time? Buy a Creedmoor and it all goes away. Instant, eternal tranquility and joy.
     
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    In this case there has been zero marketing. The 270 has been, and continues to be an excellent "hunting" cartridge. It has NEVER, EVER, been regarded as a top target round.

    Wrong.

    The 6.5X55 was designed as a military cartridge to shoot 160gr RN bullets at about 45,000-50,000 PSI.
    The 260 was designed to shoot 120 gr deer hunting bullets at 60,000 PSI

    The long range target boys found that high BC 140-150 gr 6.5 mm bullets at around 2700-2800 fps would make darn near the ideal long range round. For a while they were taking rifles in 260 or 6.5X55 and heavily modifying them and hand loading rounds that were not in spec to shoot out of them. They were loading 6.5X55 to much higher pressures than the round was originally intended to be used at, and the longer high BC bullets could not be seated to spec inside 260 brass without taking up valuable space for powder. If the bullets were loaded out to full length the ammo wouldn't fit in the magazines or chambers. And then the barrels weren't twisted correctly for those bullets. So yes, a 6.5X55 or 260 CAN be loaded to do exactly the same thing as 6.5 CM. But the ammo is going to be outside standard specs and cannot be shot in standard factory rifles. The 6.5CM offers exactly the same performance with off the shelf rifles and ammo.

    In this case Hornady didn't develop a new cartridge and push it on shooters. It was the shooters who approached Hornady and said this is what we need; make it. The 6.5 CM was the answer. Hornady has never advertised or marketed the round. It is selling by word of mouth.

    And while it was designed for long range target shooting, hunters quickly found that it would do anything a 270 would do as a hunting rifle with about 1/3 less recoil. It is a great dual purpose round. There is nothing magic about it. It is simply a very good balance of light recoil, exceptional accuracy, and enough power to take anything from elk down.

    And that is the thing some of the old farts can't get through their heads. Years ago almost all rifle shooters were hunters. Today virtually all rifle shooters are target shooters 1st and if they hunt at all hunting is secondary. An accurate mid weight rifle in 6.5 CM will be good enough for casual target shooting out to 1000 yards, and the same rifle with different loads will still be a very serviceable hunting rifle for any game you'd hunt with a 270. You can make a good argument that a 270 still has some minor advantages over the 6.5 CM. But the CM makes a much better hunting rifle, than a 270 used as a target rifle. The cartridge suits the needs of most of todays shooters very well.
     
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  14. someguy2800

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    You should have kept reading lol.
     
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    The 6.5 is not a miracle worker. It has had great advertising though. It by no means introduced the 6.5mm that happened a century ago. It did introduce most factory ammo being loaded to “match-like” specs and a steeper shoulder which is good on brass flow. But this can be said about 100’s of other cartridges. I never liked my bolt actions in a short action length, and I never gravitated to smallbores. If I were going to do a sub .30cal I’d do a 280AI, or if you want available ammo I’d build a 7mm
     
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    If you get hit with one, it sure will
     
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    A 6.5CM will change your life about as much as a new belt for your pants or a new set of tires for your truck. I have one and tasted the koolaid but I have yet to become any more enlightened from it. I certainly wouldn't sell my other long guns for one.
     
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    From a guy who can see "old fart" hull up on the horizon?

    Shooting - has been "Progressed" the same way as the Olympics.

    The Olympics started as men competing naked against each other in tests of strength and stamina.

    Today - everybody races against the clock, and women dance w/ ribbons or ballet under water.


    Hunting, and thereby shooting - is what the youngsters don't get.

    Clocks/ribbons/underwater ballet?

    ...Make crappy BBQ.




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    Why, pray tell, are you under the impression that 6.5x55 can’t deliver 140 grs VLD at 2700 FPS within SAAMI spec?

    The rest of your analysis seems quite reasonable but this bit of fudge tends to undermine its credibility.
     
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    All of this is absolutely true. It IS the 6.5X55 Swedish repackaged in a shorter case. U.S. makers could simply have produced the same new rifles with a standard length action in 6.5 Swede with identical results. But then they could not sell it as the new and improved and amazing ultimate target cartridge. While the short cartridge length has been touted as justified because it can be used in an AR-10, the reality is that the 6.5 Creedmoor sells almost exclusively as a bolt action target and hunting rifle.

    Yup, as others have said, it's a shiny new toy which is just an old toy with a fresh coat of paint.
     
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    I had the chance to buy a Savage Axis 6.5 CM barrel for a good price. It was a new 22" sporter takeoff. Never being one to pass up a good deal on a clean Savage sporter barrel, I bought it mainly just to spend a little time with the round I've heard so much about. I figured if I didn't like it, I could probably make a little $ on the barrel anyway.

    Well, turns out I like it. Even after chopping the barrel to 20" (to fit my 40/20/7 rule) and putting a "garage crown" on it, all it does is shoot 1/2-3/4" groups out of a lightweight, quick handling hunting rifle. No bedding, no special work or accessories. All my rifles are accurate, but the Savage with the chopped CM barrel quickly proved itself in that department to be as good or better than anything I own (I only keep accurate rifles), is pleasant to shoot and has great ballistics for an everyday deer rifle. After lucking into a supremely accurate load with my first try, I wouldn't be afraid to drop that barreled action in a heavier stock, put a higher powered scope on it, and stretch it's legs. I have no doubt it would be up to the task.

    So in a way it would have been fun to jump on the CM h8r bandwagon, but I just can't. I can't say it's everything and a bag of chips, but so far the taste in my mouth ain't a bad one. ;)
     
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    Sour grapes, there hasn't been hardly any marketing by Hornady. Shooters went to Hornady and Hornady mainstreamed a common wildcat that does exactly what many shooters want.
     
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    6.5 CM is obsolete, you're not cool unless your shooting Valkyrie :neener:
     
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    What is amusing, if you read the comments RE: the 6.5x55mm Swede from people who owned and hunted w/ them?

    The common refrain is - "Sweet rifle, great cartridge, liked it a lot... until I sold it for a .270."

    And the 6.5 Creedmoor is just a lower capacity Swede - in a diaper.


    So, "Sweet rifle, great cartridge, enjoy it a lot..."




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    Magazine article hype and new toys. It happens every so often. Some new whiz bang dohicky comes along with the magazine writer marketing and all of a sudden everybody just needs one.
    The 204 was the same a few years back, everyone just had to have one of those.
    I dont hate the CM but the 260 has been doing the same thing for 20+ years.
     
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