Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by nwilliams, Jan 1, 2013.
But I could be wrong.
This is exactly what they are saying on NPR. And they act like this is a bad thing. Because heavens forbid we vote on a bill with a clear mind.
I think the Republicans will cave in to the Dems and the weapon ban will be a lot worse than in 1994.
Nothing much will happen federally.
In this state though, hang on it is gonna be a wild ride.
However, I think a number of states (including mine) have storms coming.
Unless everyone writes their reps.
None of us have any idea if an AWB, or something worse, will be signed into law because nothing has been submitted to be sent to committee and come out of committee for a floor vote in either the House or Senate.
Making a decision that all is lost or that victory is assured is the surest way to loose this fight.
I just want to be clear that I don't think all is lost. I've donated to SAF and NRA-ILA. I've also written all my reps email and I'm sending out paper letters. I'm doing everything I can.
I hope others are as well because it seems like many aren't taking this seriously.
I agree that a defeatist attitude will get us nowhere but denying that a possible ban can happen might lead us to defeat. On THR we can use reason when preaching to the choir but antis will use emotions and gut reactions to beat our reason with the general population. I heard many times during the last election that we don't have to worry about Obama changing our gun laws and that he wouldn't win anyway because he didn't have enough support. The viewpoint of people in this nation is changing and there are many amongst gun owners that see no need for "assault weapons."
I recently sat down with some folks--all gun owners, all hunters, mostly republican, overwhelmingly they agreed that there was no need for 30 rounds. I was utterly shocked but then I remembered Bill Ruger's comments years ago.
No one knows for sure. However, it is very possible to make some educated guesses by looking at the make up of the incoming congress, looking at the various members the track records on guns, their recent statements, etc.
We know some sort of AWB will be proposed. We have had years of these proposals to give us an idea of what they typically include. We have Feinstein telling us expressly what her bill will contain.
In sum, none of us are clairvoyant, nor have we seen finalized language of the proposed bill, to say nothing of how it may be amended. However, to say no one has ANY idea is a bit too much.
It is safe to say any gun control proposal will have a tough time in the house. Something as sweeping as Feinstein's proposed legislation will be a non starter.
I see three big targets
1. So called Assault weapons. Feinsteins bill uses a shockingly expansive definition. Such a broad ban has little hope. Even a more tailored definition I see as being unlikely to pass. I do not think an AWB is getting through the house. Even the Senate under democratic control is far from a given
2. Mags holding more than 10 rounds. This has better odds but I still don't see it getting through the house.
3. Ban on face to face sales without a back ground check. I see this as being the most likely measure. I don't know that even it will happen. I don't like it and I don't think it would do anything to prevent restricted people from getting guns, nor would it in anyways make us safer or reduce crime. As such I think its a bad law. I think this is something most people could be sold on though.
I do think some states may pass stuff and those folks will be left hoping the SCOTUS eventually strikes those laws.
I definitely advised them of my viewpoint in as civil a manner as possible. I won a couple over with the slippery slope argument of what happens when someone determines your 94 Winchester has too many rounds.
Sadly there are many NRA members that would agree with the Sporting Purpose BS.
They have frankly gotten away with murder(s) and the public just re-elects them.
I can't believe it's true, but it just is.
2008: I thought there was no way Obama would win. I was wrong.
Bailouts: I didn't believe they would happen and was wrong.
Obamacare: I didn't believe it would pass and was wrong.
Fast and Furious: A murdered border agent and hundreds of Mexicans with thousands of guns due to a scandal, and privilege was invoked and nobody has answered for it.
Benghazi. 4 Americans died from a terrorist attack and incompetance and a huge scandal and cover up occurred and nobody has answered for it.
Despite all this and the economy and oh so much more, 2012 saw the re-election of Obama and many other Dems. I was wrong in thinking they would lose.
The ONLY chance of beating any of this is for YOU to write ALL of your reps from the President down to the local Govenor and state reps.
I have been talking with a number of friends who are gun owners, and identify as Democrats (if anything at all), and they are pretty much all against any sort of AWB. I have met people of all persuasions who are all for an AWB. The common denominator amongst almost everyone with whom I have spoken who is in favor of an AWB or at the least a magazine capacity limit, is that they are entirely unfamiliar with and fearful of firearms.
One has to remember, though, that there really is a strong, silent majority of the population that regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof, is very much in favor of our individual right to keep and bear arms. I have been hearing and reading for at least 4 years now, about how gun control is dead, that it is pretty much off the table. This is why in the last 4 years, we actually saw increasing adoption of permissive concealed carry laws, and we had the president signing a law allowing carry in national parks. You'll also note that opposition to any handgun bans is at it's highest since people have been polling about this - about 74% I read the other day. We just need to keep doing what we do, and give sane, sober arguments, and take our friends out shooting. Pick your battles and talk to those on the fence first. You're not going to persuade my father of anything, but I have a few friends on the fence, who when push comes to shove, really don't care one way or another. Sometimes not having people opposing you is as good as having them on your side. Those fence sitters are one reason why we take people shooting. Because really, who doesn't like to shoot 30 rounds in very short order down the range every once in a while?
The rhetoric is all based on emotion and the longer it takes the less chance of anything getting past the house. Now if the (R) side keeps acting like idiots on the financial side we might be in trouble in 2 years but right now, nah.
More concerned about my state. (D) in solid control and the anti-gun lobby has been lining up with proposals. Going to be ugly there.
People are crazy. Don't fall into it. Keep yourself informed, inform others, and that's really all anyone can do.
fact: The statements above fly better leaving off the "I believe" line. Do the same when sending letters to congresscritters, etc. "The second amendment clearly states..."
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