Will "the panic" end before 2016?

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I still am not convinced that there are a lot of new shooters... just old shooters adding more to the pile.
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Well, that's what the LSM is trying to tell us anyway - it's just us old farts buying up everything - there aren't any new shooters.

I suppose it depends on the definition of "new" but my experience is just the opposite. Spend some time on a Saturday or Sunday hanging around the gun counter of a Cabela's, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shop or any other and listen to the talk. While it is hardly a "scientific sample", I hear 2 or 3 newbies at the counter for every experienced person.

A couple of weeks ago at one local range, there was a line of about 20 folks waiting to do the shooting portion of a concealed permit course. Since they were shooting a couple lanes down from me, during one break between students I asked the instructor who he was teaching these days. His reply was that his courses in the past few months have been almost exclusively new - or very inexperienced shooters.

So I think there are quite a few "new" shooters out there. Whether or not they will become "regular" shooters is perhaps an open question...
 
Do you think the panic will end before Obama leaves office, or are we gonna be stuck with gun/ammo/magazine shortages for 3.5 more years?
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It, the panic, really should never should have started, or should have been so short lived it would have been over in a matter of weeks. We the shooting population have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
From my own informal polling of local ammo-selling stores, it looks like things are easing up. I was able to find some 22 LR at a local wal mart at 8:00 AM yesterday morning. Granted, they were remington golden bullet bulk packs, which are my least favorite 22 loads, but they were available. There was still at least one more case of the bulk packs locked under the counter. The WM employee said that there are quite a few less people lining up at 4-5 AM and they've had boxes left over after the line is gone every night.

AR-15 mags are much easier to find. They're not magpul, but troy and a few other mfgs that hold up really well. Prices are still good, only slightly higher than pre-panic prices.

Powder is still a sticking point for me. I did find a pound of Varget a couple of weeks ago, but I still need H4895, H4350, and IMR4064. And trail boss. I have enough Clays to last me for about a year shotshell-wise.

I'm still looking for an upper for my AR, but they're still a little scarce/expensive. I've found quite a few that are sans BCG, which doesn't help a whole lot.

Just my assessment.

Matt
 
Around here, we never did fully recover from the last panic. Availability and prices did not come back to normal, although it did ease somewhat. It has been rare to find decent numbers of primers in stock locally, and shipping fees are a bit much unless you can buy in bulk.

Now the shelves are really empty. Walked into Big R and the only handgun ammo on the shelf was .25 acp, no .22 at all, and very little rifle ammo. Plenty of shotgun stuff, but not much else.

IMO, things won't really get a whole lot better until after the 2014 elections, IF we do well then. Otherwise, I'm afraid we are in for more of the same. :cuss:

Just my $.02.
 
For those of you saying the panic is easing up, can you please point me to a website that has 9mm Luger 115g FMJ or 45 ACP 230g FMJ in stock???
 
It's not a panic. It's a lack of supply. The companies are loving it.

It, the panic, really should never should have started, or should have been so short lived it would have been over in a matter of weeks. We the shooting population have no one to blame but ourselves.
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The fact that after 2009 major manufacturers didn't increase and tool up is at fault. It's not shooters. I'm so tired of hearing this. You can't expect 1980 manufacturing levels to serve the demand of millions more shooters.
 
It proves that people are buying ammo faster than it can be distributed. In other words, Panic On!
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It's not a panic when you're trying to shoot a gun you buy. It's a panic because manufacturers are not increasing supply. So far Federal is the only plant planning on expanding, should be done by the end of this year. The links are easy to find, showing dramatic increase in gun ownership going through the last 2 decades.
 
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InkEd said:
If we could get the Norinco ban lifted, prices and supply would go back to pre-panic conditions in a matter of weeks. Look up the availability and cost of their stuff on some Canadian sites.
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I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. If China could import ammo, we'd never have another shortage again!
 
As long as the politicians keep threatening further infringement, the panic won't end.
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There has not been one single threat regarding ammunition. IMO as long as people are paying ludicrous prices we will continue to be in this "panic"
 
22-rimfire;8871482 I still am not convinced that there are a lot of new shooters... just old shooters adding more to the pile.[/QUOTE said:
I would not be to sure of that. I'm sure you have heard of the FOID card that we have here in Illinois that is needed to purchase guns and ammo. Applications to the State Police have been hitting record numbers the last 3 months with March having a little over 70,000 alone !! Applications are now taking 60 to 90 days which by state law is to be done in under 30 days !
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A small, but fairly new gun shop in Hernando MS (south of Memphis) even had some Prvi .303 a few days ago.
A friend paid $20/box. Before the panic, retail was about $15/box. That shop has many types of ammo in small quantities, and before the panic even had some Makarov.

At Saturday's gun show I saw nobody buying ammo from a large selection. That was about 13:00.

Today -online- 7.62x39 was back down to about .32/round, and 7.62x54R at .23/rd. via "Gunbot".
Far cheaper than at the show, even after shipping charges.
 
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I stopped by a gun store Friday and it had over 36 Ar's on the wall. They have had none for a couple since Christmas.

9mm was 80 cents a round though.
 
For those of you saying the panic is easing up, can you please point me to a website that has 9mm Luger 115g FMJ or 45 ACP 230g FMJ in stock???
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No, I can't, but I can point you to a Wal Mart that does and I can point you to a LGS that does. And the prices are not overly inflated.

Also, on the shelves of that same LGS has quiet a few ARs for under $1k. Three months ago the $700 M&Ps were going for $1500-$2000, so I would say what we have here is a vast improvement.

Online stock will progress slower than local stuff because the entire world has access to it. Local stuff lasts a little longer (not much) because of limited customer base. If you want to find stuff right now, check locally first. You may not be successful at first. You have to keep checking.
 
There has not been one single threat regarding ammunition.
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As far as getting it at all? No, they haven't threatened to take it completely away, but what HAS been talked about (either federally or in certain states) is:

1) Outlawing internet/mail order ammo sales
2) Microstamping
3) A per-round tax
4) Background checks and/or permits in order to purchase ammunition

Some of that is actually already in place in certain states. While none of that would mean the end of being able to get ammo, it would most certainly shoot the prices through the roof.
 
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It's not a panic. It's a lack of supply. The companies are loving it.



The fact that after 2009 major manufacturers didn't increase and tool up is at fault. It's not shooters. I'm so tired of hearing this. You can't expect 1980 manufacturing levels to serve the demand of millions more shooters.
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So blame the manufacturers...... Ramp up production so the gov'ment can pass one law that puts them out of business.
Makes a lot of sense.
 
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