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Will you continue to purchase from companies that stay in anti states?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gunslinger15, Apr 11, 2013.

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Will you continue to purchase from companies that stay in anti states?

Poll closed May 11, 2013.
  1. Yes

    130 vote(s)
    53.3%
  2. No

    114 vote(s)
    46.7%
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  1. gunslinger15

    gunslinger15 Member

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    I just read an article stating that Remington has no plans to leave N.Y and in fact has plans to spend $20 million updating their facilities. I for one will be choosing not to spend anymore money with companies who choose to stay in Anti States. I do not want profits from my purchases going back to N.Y and being used through taxes to enforce these unconstitutional laws. I also feel that by staying in N.Y and not taking a stand Remington is just as bad as the Antis. I know I am one person and losing my business alone wont even be felt, but I think it is our duty as gun owners and consumers to make sure these companies are walking the walk.
     
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  2. Bubbles

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    Thank you. I've reached the point where I've ceased to do business as much as possible with any company in an anti state, and for the same reason.
     
  3. SSN Vet

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    I hear ya....

    Colt rattled their saber about puching out of CT if their new draconian gun laws passed. Now they've passed! Let's see what they do.
     
  4. morcey2

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    There are probably many smaller manufacturers that would be put out of business because of the cost of relocating. Others will probably stay put an fight the good fight from inside their respective states.

    Also, the title of your thread and the question in the poll are inverses of each other. Could lead to confusing responses.

    Matt
     
  5. HoosierQ

    HoosierQ Member

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    Boycotting gun manufacturers for where they are located serves no purpose. Have you ever moved? Do you know how hard it is to move a business along with all the people needed to run it?

    I could see the laws of the state driving out a company because their product might specifically break the law...like Magpul and the 15 round mag thing.

    Boycotting gun companies is a stupid approach to dealing with our problems.
     
  6. CoRoMo

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    Didn't the Remington company also petition the state legislature to not pass SAFE? If they did, but now are going to simply get comfy and stay in the state of NY, then their words were empty.

    I've started looking on the backside of all products recently to see where they are made. If my toothpaste came from a factory in Connecticut, maybe there is another brand that I can go to.
     
  7. SunnySlopes

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    If you're going to boycott companies that choose to stay in anti Constitution states, then as a matter of conscience you should also boycott companies that sell to those same states. Glock, for example, isn't in New York, but they still sell millions of firearms to law enforcement in New York.

    Should we not boycott them as well?

    Actually, any "outdoors" company should be targeted, given the OP's premise.
     
  8. tarosean

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    Regardless if Remington wanted to move they are owned by an investment group. Their shareholders will make the decisions.. A little different than these smaller privately owned companies who can just pick up and move.

    If your going to hold Rem accountable be sure to include every company Freedom Group owns.

    Advanced Armament Corporation
    Barnes Bullets
    Bushmaster Firearms International
    Dakota Arms
    DPMS Panther Arms
    H & R Firearms
    Marlin
    Mountain Khakis
    Para USA
    Parker Gunmakers
    Remington Arms
    Remington Military
    Remington LE
    Remington PMPD
    TAPCO
     
  9. mdauben

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    I would probably go out of my way to support businesses that move out of anti-gun states, but I would not purposely boycott other just because they are located in anti-gun states.
     
  10. oneounceload

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    Do you also boycott all of the guns and ammo and accessories made in countries where their citizens do not have the right to own guns, or they are severely restricted - like China, most European countries, most SA companies, etc? Are you boycotting Hodgdon since most of their product comes from Australia?

    Why stop at guns? Boycott all of the fruits, veggies, etc. from all of these countries/states as well.

    Have a 401K invested in Wall Street? Better pull your money out of there as well

    This goes on and on. Folks who demand that a company move obviously have never been involved with that decision, with the millions of dollars involved, loss of key and highly trained employees, etc.....

    Besides, Remington has already moved a chunk of operations to NC
     
  11. CoRoMo

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    True. The results won't be perfect, but there's no harm in trying. If a few of my pennies end up as tax revenue in New York, enforcing unconstitutional laws, it is to be expected. But if I try to keep that from happening, rather than living oblivious to the issue entirely, I can live with myself.

    Just like getting involved in activism; you do what you can. It won't always give you the results you're after, but at least your trying and speaking out (with your wallet in this case). When they stripped our rights here in Colorado last month, I was more active than I've ever been. The men standing right beside me at the range did nothing whatsoever and I don't know how they live with themselves.
     
  12. mcdonl

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    Yeah, that would be unfair to expect a company to suffer even more in this economy by moving and potentially laying off their staff.

    Now, boycotting companies that sell to the government agencies in those states. Thats a different story.
     
  13. richie

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    I'm sorry you fellas feel like that, but I for one feel good that there gonna stay and fight the fight, you think there happy about King Coumo and his puppets, this was all done behind closed doors and sprung on all of us at the same time. I can assure you Coumo knows how us lawful gun owners feel, New York Rifle & Pistol Ass. and the NRA have both filed suit against the SAFE act, lets hope and pray a level headed judge repeals it. You have any idea how many families and businesses would be affected if Remington up and left, hundreds, there the largest employer in Herkimer county, there are also smaller machine shops that would loose all the out sourced jobs that Remington can't handle, plus the store owners. Its easy to say pack up and move, but for many they would be leaving families behind. New York is a beautiful state, we have lots of public land, great hunting and fishing, beautiful mtns with many hiking trails. NewYork State is not NYC. Thats Blooburgs empire. We'll win our rights back, I'm sure the next election will see some changes, our local politicians all voted against the SAFE act. Mainly because they didn't want to loose Remington.
     
  14. gunslinger15

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    I understand that it is very difficult to completely boycott all the companies that are behind enemy lines simply due to the fact that many are linked together. However, I will not be purchasing from one of them if a substitute good is available from a company located in a free state. My only exception to this is if they cut off sales to federal and state leo.

    Beyond that exception If they choose not to or do not have the means to move well that is going to have to be their loss, my dollar will be going elsewhere.

    For example our ski trip, backpacking trip, and a mule deer hunt have all been canceled because we will not spend our money in Colorado. I am sorry the local economy is going to have to take a hit, but if that is what it takes to get them motivated and get unjust laws their states changed so be it.

    When looking for sympathy in response to the destructive actions of the liberal regime look elsewhere. This is a direct effect of their actions and ideals.
     
  15. bergmen

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    "Will you continue to purchase from companies that stay in anti states?"

    Absolutely. Any company in California (and there are many, mostly small shops) very much deserve our business and support if they manufacture parts and accessories worth considering.

    Healthy revenue is crucial for their survival and boycotting them will only hurt them which I believe is totally inappropriate.

    They are not the cause of this mess and do not deserve to be punished for it IMO.

    Dan
     
  16. buck460XVR

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    I see no reason to punish stockholders and employees of a corporation just because of what the legislators in the state they are located in do. Now if they are in support of what those legislators do is another story.......
     
  17. SabbathWolf

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    Looking at that entire list I came to a realization.
    I don't own a single thing from any of those companies at all except for a Gordon Tech/Tapco G2 trigger in my AK.
    I guess I'm "already" boycotting those guys and didn't even know it.

    :eek:

    :D

    Barnes bullets may be an exception though because a lot of ammo makers use their bullets.
     
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  18. GrOuNd_ZeRo

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    Happy I didn't buy a Remington 597 instead of my S&W M&P, while I don't blame Remington I very much blame the lawmakers of the state.

    However, I wouldn't considder MA a very pro-gun state either...
     
  19. tarosean

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    Yeah I'm guessing peeps wouldn't be shooting many bulletts at all if they were serious about boycotts.. Winchester, Remington, Wolf and others are located in hostile states not to mention powder and brass companies..
     
  20. leadaddict

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    Moving may not be an option for every company. There are other ways to stand against laws in the state where you reside. I think it would have to be a case-by-case decision.
     
  21. tarosean

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    But it's owned by a company in AZ.. Does that make you feel better?
     
  22. mljdeckard

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    Not exactly.

    Should we alienate gun owners who live in anti states because they aren't in a position they can move?

    Rather than penalize gun companies in anti states, I do try to reward companies in pro states, and companies that are moving to pro states. If I compile a poop list of every company that doesn't do every single thing I THINK they should do, I wouldn't have many left with whom I could do ANY kind of business at all.

    Now, if a company comes out IN FAVOR of new gun laws, I would penalize them.
     
  23. osteodoc08

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    It would not be feasible to move an existing plant. Now if making a new one, do so in a gun friendly state.
     
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    ^^^ This.
     
  25. SabbathWolf

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    What we need to do is start a new church.
    We can call it the "2nd Amen Church of America."

    Get everybody in the firearms industry to join, and then file for tax exemption in non-friendly states.......lol

    :evil:
     
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