Will you continue to purchase from companies that stay in anti states?

[larryh1108]

I live in CT. I live where they passed these stupid laws. I wanted a couple of guns that I now cannot buy... ever, if I stay here. I refuse to stay here and am looking at VT, NH and PA but in the mean time I am at the whim of the government.

A week ago I drove to visit family in TN, AR and IL. I drove thru CT, NY, WV, MD, VA, KY, TN, AR and IL. I got gas every 250 miles. In CT, gas was $3.69/gal. NYS was $3.79. PA was $3.38. KY and TN were between $3.08 and $3.18. AR was $3.28. IL was then $4.19 a gallon. The difference is all in taxes. CT, NYS, IL are hosing us and their governments are out of control and the states are broke.

I also smoke. Cigarettes in CT are $8.50 a pack. NYS is $9.50 a pack. South it was $5.75 a pack. Point? Gas taxes, liquor taxes, cigarette taxes, etc. CT and NYS also have the highest income taxes in the country and include IL in there too. These states are killing us with their taxes to feed their machines and are using our tax dollars to us thru their agendas. It is sick, really, what they are doing to us and unless you drive around the country and look, you don't see how bad they are treating their citizens. They are robbing us and using the money to tell us how to live and what we can buy and how much soda we can drink, etc. They've become monsters and are totally out of control.

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

Why Support Them?

Since the event of Dec. 14th, I don't need to remind anyone of the putrid attempt at further limiting our 2nd Amendment rights. Everyone knows all about it, unless you've been living under a rock for the past few months.

Roughly 180 gun manufactures have left states that wish to limit the rights of their residents. This is somewhat good news. However, the big major companies still remain in these states. With this in mind, my question is:
Why continue to support a gun manufacturing company, such as S&W, which refuses to relocate to a gun friendly state? I'm not picking on just S&W, I'm referring to any and all gun manufacturers remaining in states with such gun hating politicians

I, for one, have made a decision to withdraw any future purchases from any gun manufacturer remaining in such a state. Seriously, why should these gun hating politicians reap the economic benefits from such companies? Maybe if these companies would leave such states, or at least threaten to leave, they might adjust their attitudes towards the 2nd Amendment.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Frosty Dave]

I applaud a company like Magpul who will pull up stakes and move to a gun-friendly state but I won't boycott a company that doesn't find it feasible to move. Gun manufacturers are not the people I have a problem with, it's the people making gun-vicious laws.

I'm imagining a hypothetical company that moved to Colorado from Illinois a year ago. They would be banging their heads on their desks while Colorado went downhill and they watched Illinois starting to come around. Do they move again before the paint on the building is dry?

Better to keep pressure on the politicians than start eating our own.

 

[tarosean]

I, for one, have made a decision to withdraw any future purchases from any gun manufacturer remaining in such a state. Seriously, why should these gun hating politicians reap the economic benefits from such companies?

How far are you willing to take it???

For example, lets take Remington Arms located in NY. They are owned by Freedom Group who in turn is owned by Cerberus Capital.. Now here is where it gets tricky...

Do you like to eat? Well they own the grocery store you probably shop at. If not the store the production/shipping/importation/of some of the brands on the shelf.. Need some Clothing? They own those stores, malls, etc. too. Need a Home? well they own the lumber companies down to the paper you will sign your contract on. Get sick? They have stakes in pharmaceutical companies. Need a vehicle loan? etc. etc. etc.

I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.

Point being, while you're on your pedestal proclaiming not to pay the man for your convictions. You are in fact turning around and paying the same man.

Me? Every US manufacturer needs our support right now.

 

[230RN]

I admire those who chose to move, but it ain't exactly like throwing a couple of boxes in the pickup and taking off. There's new real estate prices, new licensing and corporate papers, new employee benefit laws in the new state, new arrangements for shipping and receiving raw materials and product, and on and on and on.

I came out to Colorado in the early sixties just to go to school, and loved it and its gun freedoms so much I've been here about 50 years. Don't you think I feel "violated," too? I could move up to Wyoming but that gets me pretty far away from family and friends, and I don't like to drive that much any more. Besides, I suspect Wyoming may be the next battleground for 2a rights.

So a move, expecially for a big company, just ain't that simple, and "boycotting" companies which don't move is sorta like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Terry, 230RN

 

[BaltimoreBoy]

As has been pointed out, it is not just a matter of pulling up stakes for a company to move - even a small company.

To retain my patronage, all a company from a gun hostile state has to do is promise to sell nothing to the governmental bodies of any given state that are not allowed to be owned by the regular inhabitants. (And enforce it with their resellers.)

Actually that would be a good policy for any firm from any state and in any line of business.

 

[Sav .250]

Win the battle but lose the war .......... You can do what ever you like.

If they go out of business I guess you`d be happy . Go figure.

 

[steelerdude99]

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I, for one, have made a decision to withdraw any future purchases from any gun manufacturer remaining in such a state. Seriously, why should these gun hating politicians reap the economic benefits from such companies? Maybe if these companies would leave such states, or at least threaten to leave, they might adjust their attitudes towards the 2nd Amendment.

I don’t see how a "withdraw any future purchases" (i.e. a boycott) against a pro-gun company that stays in an anti-gun state helps anything. It’s not trivial to pick up and move and may hurt the company and its employees more than the "gun hating politicians". A certain percentage of your skilled labor base may decide it’s too close to retirement to put up with the hassle of moving. Besides personnel, there’s the cost moving: finding a site, permits, zoning … etc. It can be expensive and only drive the price of the product up or the company out of business.

As long as the local or state law does not directly prevent the manufacturing and/or possession of “illegal” items, they should just balance the moving costs vs. the staying issues. Related: Jack Daniels is distilled the dry county of Moore Tennessee.

chuck

 

[larryh1108]

We have 50 states, DC and many territories. The point of "boycotting" is more to stop further erosion of our rights in states that haven't decided which way to go yet. If fence sitting states see other states losing revenue and jobs with anti-gun legislation then maybe they won't pass a restrictive law.

It's not about the states who already passed these laws, it's about the states considering passing similar laws. They have to see it will come at a cost and it will cost their state revenue and jobs but it has to be enough to make them take notice, not pass it off as collateral damage for "doing the right thing".

 

[beatledog7]

Companies exist to make money for their owners, be they private parties or shareholders. If moving is good for profitability, then moving is the right thing to do. If not, then it's a bad business move.

Companies don't exist to make customers happy--they exist to make owners happy. If it takes making customers happy to make owners happy, then owners will strive to make customers happy, including moving out of gun-negative state, but again, not at the expense of profitability.

Boycotts are silly and almost always ineffective. They are a kneejerk reaction based on emotion rather than logic, exactly what we say about antis when they whine about saving just one life.

 

[asia331]

I don't see how putting an American firearms manufacturer out of the business benefits the shooting community.

 

[larryh1108]

Oh, I don't know. What happens to companies if enough states prohibit the sale of AR type rifles? Does companies like Stag Arms build 1911s? If enough states pass legislation to stop selling AR type rifles then when another vote comes up in Congress for a national ban, it will pass since half the states already have the law in place. We have to stop the state-by-state butchering of our rights or in a few years we will all lose. One state at a time, one year at a time. They get enough states with large populations and it will pass thru the house and get more than half the states then there goes the senate. So, if 26 or more states go the route of NY, CT, CO, etc., how long before it goes national?

Yes, gun makers can choose to stay put and feed the hands that are strangling them. That's their choice. From what I read, many states are offering substantial freebies and discounts to make it worthwhile to leave. Free land, free infrastructure, tax breaks plus the benefits in place from hiring currently unemployed workers.

If a large corporation truly wanted to move they can do it with the help of the states that actually want them to succeed. They can remain in the states they are in to be "safe" and gamble that this goes no further but we all know this administration won't back down either. So, off they go, getting one state at a time.

They have nothing to lose and we have everything to lose. They'll go after the fence sitters and stay away from the hard core pro-gun states and before we know it, there will be more anti-gun states than pro-gun states. But hey, that may not happen until our kids are our age so we have nothing to worry about, right?

 

[bobinoregon]

What state in the US it was manufactured in will never be a factor in my purchasing a gun. Political climates change, you cant expect major factories to pick up and move in response . Like it has been said before, when you follow back ownership, who owns who gets extremely convoluted. In my personal opinion boycotting a firearms manufacturer because of where they are based only hurts ourselves.

 

[jim243]

No problem, I haven't purchased anything from Remington for the last 4 years and then it was only rifle cases. They won't miss my money, they never had any of it. (LOL)

Their products are not what they use to be. (some may disagree, but that's my opinion)

Jim

 

[larryh1108]

On the news last night, there is a story about how Texas govenor Perry is coming to CT to launch a $1M ad campaign to recruit businesses from CT to TX. The story stated they are specifically going after gun and gun related makers, specifically Stag Arms and other high profile companies. He's promoting sweet deals and a gun friendly atmosphere. I'd imagine the employees can even tell their friends and neighbors, with pride, that they work for a gun company. Up here they probably lie about where they work if they worked at a Stag Arms, etc. I'm glad to see this. I hope other states jump in on the recruiting.

 

[45_auto]

I for one will be choosing not to spend anymore money with companies who choose to stay in Anti States.

Do you spend money with companies who manufacture goods in anti-gun countries like China and Japan?

 

[larryh1108]

I didn't realize we lived in China or Japan. I missed the legislation they passed in the middle of the night to take away our rights. I guess I've been sleeping thru all of that.

I'm guessing that if your state did what NY, CT and CO did you'd see things a bit different. However, since it doesn't affect you then you have no iron in the fire?

 

[orionengnr]

Sure is easy to get caught up in the moment and want to "do something".
Just remember, that is the disease of the mind that infects many "good citizens" and entirely too many politicians.

I grew up in CT and have lived in CA and IL (among other places). I currently live in TX. Our Governor, Patrick Richard "PRick" Perry is trying to lure gun manufacturers to TX. I would be very happy to see Colt or S&W in TX...however, I doubt that will happen.

In the mean time, I have no plans to punish Colt or S&W for standing and fighting, and doing business where they have for well over 150 years.

Those companies are employing Americans like you and me. Just because those Americans live behind the Iron Curtain does not make them Communists, and does not make them worthy of a boycott, which will endanger their jobs.

 

[oneounceload]

Why continue to support a gun manufacturing company, such as S&W, which refuses to relocate to a gun friendly state? I'm not picking on just S&W, I'm referring to any and all gun manufacturers remaining in states with such gun hating politicians

Let's look at this for a moment. S&W is running production at record capacity. You want them to shut down their operations, relocate a large group of folks and their families, spend tens of millions (or more) to build new facilities and make the move?

I guess you do not have any knowledge of manufacturing or running a business or you would realize that this is not something you just decide to up and do when you are a large manufacturing concern

Remington is currently expanding their ammo production at their existing plant. It is predicted to take well over a year to get completed.

Then there is also the question regarding experienced workers. The NE has been the traditional home to gunmakers and the tool/die/machinists and replacing them with equally skilled workers in today's workplace is getting harder and harder as more and more folks seem only educated enough to ask if I want my fries supersized

 

[InkEd]

Considering most of the good companies are in crappy states :banghead: I don't have my choice in the matter if I want to buy any new guns.

 

[tarosean]

Let's look at this for a moment. S&W is running production at record capacity. You want them to shut down their operations, relocate a large group of folks and their families, spend tens of millions (or more) to build new facilities and make the move?
I guess you do not have any knowledge of manufacturing or running a business or you would realize that this is not something you just decide to up and do when you are a large manufacturing concern

Wanna guess who the first people would be crying about the huge increase in a Firearms price?