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Win Model 70 ... what are these holes for in the stock?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by agdodge4x4, Nov 15, 2012.

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  1. agdodge4x4

    agdodge4x4 Member

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    It just occurred to me that these holes in my stock are...unusual. This is a 1964 Winchested Model 70. It does have a recoil pad, but I assume it was installed aftermarket. Are these holes 'factory'?

    What are they for?

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  2. Jim Watson

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    To reduce weight by a few ounces of walnut.
    Is the rifle a Featherweight model?
     
  3. wyohome

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    I would think that would reduce stress in the wood, maybe prevent cracking.
     
  4. jmr40

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    Weight reduction and for proper balance.
     
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    You can also put counter-balance weights in those holes to balance the weight of the rifle.
     
  6. jogar80

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    Looks like the holes made to install a recoil reducer, such as an Edwards Recoil Reducer. I have one in a browning Xbolt. Some people also just put lead in ther to add weight.
     
  7. agdodge4x4

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    Interesting. Its not a featherweight. I used them as a place to steal a splinter of wood for a fore end repair on it.
     
  8. brnmw

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    I am not a gun Mftr. expert but that could have also been used to smuggle drugs! ;)
    Who would even think to look inside the butt of an old M70 rifle attached to a good 'ol boy! :D
    Sorry I used to work in the music buisiness and I have seen some interesting things in my time! :evil:

    Seriously though I would imagine it's a weight and balance issue. :)

    And yes I do kind of like these "smilies" Icon's... :neener:
     
  9. desidog

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    ^ That reminds me of the time i was at a gun show and was looking over an Enfield. The seller said he'd been all over the rifle. Good headspace. I flipped open the door in the butt to see if the cleaning kit was still there, and a very old, dry joint fell out with an old rusty lighter on the guy's table. I mean, it could have been a cigarette... we both stared at it for a long moment and he whisked it off the table and into the trash.

    ...not the head space i was in the market for!

    /sorry for the digression.
     
  10. jogar80

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    Ha!!^^... good story!!! I would have bought it, joint and all.... and leave it in the butt. Perfect story pieces right there!
     
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    I've seen similar holes from the factory to reduce weight and move the balance more to the forend. I cannot imgine wanting to add weight to the butt unless it had a very long heavy barrel and needed extra weight in the rear for balance. Most folks shoot better with weight slightly toward the front.
     
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    Jogar 80 is on the right track here and said it before I could. Those are very likely and most deffnitely for mercury tubes. Those tubes will reduce about 30% of felt recoil when properly installed.

    GS
     
  14. brnmw

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    Yup! Many places cops could look for in music equipment too they just don't think about it at the time.... I helped a friend of mine out that was a rookie cop at the time, by the end of me spilling the beans on some of the hiding spots he had a deer in headlights look and said "Holy... I never would have thought about that!" (Like I said work with Rock 'n' Roll Musicians... you learn a few things.)
     
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    You can put your last will and testiment in there.

    According to a bud who worked down at Anniston, they would occasionally come across such things in the butt stocks of Garands.
     
  16. jogar80

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    The weight removed by those holes is pretty insignificant. I agree that a forward weight bias feels better, but the weight added to the butt has nothing to do with balance. It's simply making a rifle heavier to tame recoil. Thats is if it's just pure weight. In the case of a recoil reducer, not only do they add weight, but the inertia of the contents (e.g. mercury) work to counteract the rearward movement of the rifle.
     
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    If you go to page 52 of Dean Whitaker's book on the Model 70 you will see the picture of a stock with the same features. The following quote is taken from the book: "A typical "Featherweight" butt stock, viewed end-on. Note the two(2) holes placed to reduce weight. It should be noted that, on occasion, a "Standard" weight rifle stock will be found with the holes also, although it isn't common." The holes were put in the stock at the factory by Winchester. Shooter
     
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    Oooohh..... well he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.... LOL :eek:
     
  19. agdodge4x4

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    huh...thats cool. This rifle is a 7003XX serial. Guess it was one of the standards with the holes. Very cool information!
     
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