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Win. model 94

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 50 Shooter, Apr 12, 2014.

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  1. 50 Shooter

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    So I just got one and checked the serial number, it shows being made in 1976. Yeah its not a pre '64 but its in near mint condition. The blueing is perfect as is the finish on the wood, I think it was a safe queen. No marks on the loading gate so I don't even think it was ever fired!

    To top it all off the price was why I couldn't pass it up, that and I don't have one, $250 bucks! I'll post some pics when its out of lock up...
     
  2. SwampWolf

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    Can't go wrong for $250.00. Congratulations on acquiring one of the best "close-quarters" carbines around! Imo, every serious rifle aficionado should have at least one Model 94 in their inventory.
     
  3. 50 Shooter

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    Exactly, been wanting one for a long time. This one was offered to me as people know I'm a gunnie, I just happend to be in the right spot at the right time. For the price I just couldn't say no and let it slip through my fingers.

    Guess other rifles I was looking at will have to wait now.
     
  4. Liberty1776

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    That's a great price, and like SwampWolf said, it's the one rifle everyone must have...
     
  5. Deltaboy

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    Great rifle and they were carried by our Sheriff's department till the early 1990's.
     
  6. shafter

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    That's a really nice price. Most of the ones I've seen lately start at $350 and have been used a bit heavier than it sounds yours was.
     
  7. ECVMatt

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    You SCORED! Those are great rifles and it will make a great shooter. Have fun with your new rifle!

    Matt
     
  8. Bexar

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    When pictures are posted of Texas prison guards on horses overseeing prison farm workers the guard often times has a 94' resting on his leg and pointing up to the sky in a run and get another hole put in your backside. I can't imagine how many pounds of meat has been brought to the table with that rifle design.
     
  9. 50 Shooter

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    For those of you that reload for it, can I neck size or do I need to full length size the brass when I reload? I'm already looking for all the reloading gear for it.
     
  10. rcmodel

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    FL size.
    Set the sizing die to headspace off the shoulder, not the rim.
    You want your cases to just close in the action but no more for max case life.

    Trim your cases and crimp everything to prevent bullet set-back in the tube magazine.

    rc
     
  11. T.R.

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    The 94 is a great deer hunting rifle and has slain both eastern and western game for many decades. I hunt with the AE model and mounted a 2X-7X scope to take advantage of the 30-30's trajectory. Zero'd to hit 2 inches high at 100 yards its right on at 150 yards. Where we hunt shots beyond 150 yards are so rare not worth mentioning.

    TR
     
  12. 50 Shooter

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    Thanks RC, after buying a neck die by Redding for my Mauser and seeing that their quality is probably the best I've seen, I'm getting a set for the 94. I'll probably get their 3 die set for .30-30, thanks for the advice on sizing and setting the crimp.
     
  13. Peter M. Eick

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    The way I have done it on my 30/30 94's is keep the brass separate for each gun and then take a fired case (normally 30 grns of 3031 with a 150 Sierra JHP but check the data as I am doing this from memory) and then sit with the gun and the press in the loading room.

    First trim, chamfer and clean your fired cases. I trim every time on rifle. (Funny as I never trim a pistol round but that is another issue).

    Take the fired case first try to feed it in the chamber. Feel the resistance (stop as soon as you start building resistance as otherwise you will be sizing the case in the chamber and putting a lot of stress on the mechanism) and then go to the press and with the die screwed way out (3/8" give or take) size it. Wipe the lube off and try chambering it. Feel the resistance build in the lever. You can normally get the lever to close more easily but then the resistance builds before the lever closes.

    Screw the die in a quarter or half a turn and repeat.

    Keep this up until the case will enter the chamber and the resistance starts to build just as the lever snaps closed or slightly before for maximum case life. Go a bit deeper (half turn) for hunting loads where you don't want the resistance caused by a bit of gunk on the case when you are looking for that fast follow up shot.

    Keeping the cases separate for each 30/30 is a big deal. I am not sure why, but the chamber lengths between the different guns is really noticeable. Basically the headspace is variable between each of them. To me it is not worth fixing as keeping the brass separate is not a big deal.

    This is what my shooter (early 1964 vintage) 94 will do at 100 yrds. 50 shots off the bench. The ammo was made following the procedures outlined above.

    [​IMG]
     
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    PME- That is awesome! I like your technique. I have several 30/30's and mix all my brass. I am going to start using your method and see what improvement I can get.

    Thank you for the information.

    Matt
     
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    PME, great shooting! I'm hoping mine will do as good as that, hopefully I'll have everything for next Sunday to take it to the range. Got some factory ammo for now, once I get everything I'll be handloading my own ammo.
     
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    In terms of sights, I'm a big fan of having a good receiver sight on a carbine like the Model 94. I'm also of the opinion that any scope on a carbine will detract from the very handling qualities that made it so popular in the first place.
     
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    Awesome deal. Great gun for the price! I wish I'd find a deal like that
     
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    Nice! Good for you. Excellent price. Full length size your brass and trim. I usually uniform my primer pockets too and make sure I have no high primers. Good luck with your new rifle.
     
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    Thank you for pointing out the uniforming the primers. I also do that and just plain forgot to mention it. I also as a matter of course clean the primer pocket burr on the inside of the case.
     
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    ^^^ Your welcome. BTW, thats some nice shooting with your 94! Especially with open sights. :D
     
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    Who cares if it isn't a pre 64? I own one produced in 1966 that was owned by a mounted police unit here.

    Unfortunately I don't shoot lever actions much but I enjoy shooting them when I can.

    Get out and enjoy the new to you 94.
     
  22. Peter M. Eick

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    I worked a long time to master opens, and then I put peeps on it.

    [​IMG]

    One of these is my 9422 and the other two are my 1964 and 1952. The 64 I believe is what I shot the target with above.
     
  23. 50 Shooter

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    It's good to know that there's plenty of 94 owners here on the board, I know I'll always be able to get any questions answered quick.
     
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    Nice! 9422 is the cream. So smooth and accurate. I like peep sights as well. But a couple still wear opens.:D
     
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    I picked up some brass for reloading and in the bag was a .32 Win special piece of brass. It looked like a piece of .30-30 brass, anyone know if you can make .30-30 out of these? I don't plan on using it but find it strange that it has been used to make a .30-30 case, guessing the two must be close in size? And I know that people use cases close in size to make other caliber brass out of. Just not for me as the cost of the dies and trying to find that brass doesn't seem to be that cost/time effective.

    Anyone using 170gr bullets? I saw some for sale yesterday and if they do well in .30-30 I might go back today and buy all the ones they had for sale.
     
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