Winchester .22 Mag Super X 45 grain Sub Sonic LHP.

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  1. Ugly Sauce

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    Has anyone shot this, and what kind of accuracy did you get?

    TIA.
     
  2. Riomouse911

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    Around here .22 WMR of any type is an empty hole on the shelves of my local retailers so I haven’t seen it. I’d like to hear about anyones experience with it, too. :thumbup:

    Stay safe..
     
  3. Rodfac

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    Yep, same here as to supply: Cabelas and all the LGS are out in Louisville. I did find four boxes of Maxi-Mag CCI .22 Mag's at an up river store...mom and pop really...that's often got supplies that the others lack. No primers tho. Best Regards, Rod
     
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  4. someguy2800

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    I bought a 22 magnum and a 17 HMR because in the past they have been the only two on the shelves. Well this time around I rarely see any 17 HMR but lots of 22 magnum available around here. If someone needs some let me know.

    I've never seen the subsonic ammo the OP is requesting. Seams like kind of an odd offering to make 22 magnum subsonic ammo since there is so much subsonic 22lr ammo at 1/4 the cost. I would buy a box of it to keep around if I saw it though, it would go well with my little Stevens crackshot.
     
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    It appears to be quieter, but I sort of wonder what the point is.

     
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    Owners of .22 Mag rifles, on occasion, may have application for a load that approximates .22 LR ballistics. Having a couple of boxes on-hand wouldn't be a bad thing.
     
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  7. someguy2800

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    Quiet and less meet damage. They are loud in that video because its a pistol, but in a 20" barrel rifle they would be much much quieter. I can see the appeal for like a survival or trapping rifle that you can carry a few of each and pop in whichever is appropriate in the movement. That is assuming they shoot to somewhat of a similar point of aim, which I would guess they probably won't.
     
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  8. Atavar

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    Subsonic magnum? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
    What’s next, subsonic .300 WM?
     
  9. Ugly Sauce

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    Thanks guys, looks like it is reasonably accurate.

    What is the point. ? If one is packing a .22 mag rifle in the woods, and for some reason wants to take some small game, that reduced load would be more "gentle" on the meat. And, it would be kind of annoying to carry two rifles, one in .22 mag, and one in .22LR. I've never shot anything with a .22MAG, but I suspect it would be a little rough on something like a grouse, or put a pretty big hole in a squirrel. Probably not too bad on a rabbit. But, even in that case a .22LR would be "more better".

    That of course is an extremely small market, or "nitch" for the load, and why most people say: "if you want .22LR ballistics, just use a .22LR". It's more of a wilderness survival thing, turns one gun into two. (if the accuracy is there) That is the point, or reason, which appeals to very few people! Maybe like me and three others.

    Yeah, availability. But, I think they are still producing it. For some reason I thought they dropped it, but I guess with the interest in silencers/suppressors they can sell enough. I noticed that most places list it for sale, but "out of stock" of course.

    Okay, thanks again.
     
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    .22wmr is a great squirrel, rabbit and small varmint round.
    Of course like everything els shot placement is key. I know with my cheap Marlin .22wmr bolt the accuracy is there for 50 yard headshots on squirrel. Even with .22lr you wouldn’t put the shot in the eating meat.
    The POI is going to be different enough between a hot round and a subsonic as to be unusable past 20 yards. If you are within 20 yards you don’t need the magnum to begin with.
     
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    Does not do well in my PMR 30, won't cycle the action reliably. Is adequate on my CZ 455 FS. I don't find 22 mag ammo to be very accurate like 22lr and I stopped buying winchester ammo simply because none of my rimfire rifles and handguns liked it. What firearm are you planning to this this with?
     
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  12. chicharrones

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    First reports I saw of that ammo was for use in Australia. One line of thought was that for someone in that country that already owned a .22 magnum, but didn't want to go through the troubles to get a second rifle in .22 LR, this ammo turned a .22 mag rifle into a .22 LR rifle. Kind of like what people can do with switch barrel guns with one serialized receiver, except this is done without a hardware change.

    Of course, in the land of "common" and "widespread" suppressor use (aka the USA), buying a threaded barrel .22 mag rifle now might seem to make some sense. Thanks to this subsonic ammo, I mean.

    But really, I'd guess this subsonic .22 mag ammo is simply like .22 LR Quiets for .22 mag shooters. Not too much different than .38 special fired in a .357 magnum carbine, I suppose too.
     
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    It would be a Little Badger. I have one in .22LR which is super-accurate. Thinking about getting one in .22 mag, but I would be shooting mostly grouse with it. As I hunt in wolf country, I'm just looking for a little more power than .22LR. I just got done getting a NEF in .22 Hornet shooting .22LR power level loads accurately, but the rifle is a little on the heavy side for a hiking/exploring/survival/small game rifle. Hope that made sense.
     
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    Seams like just about every hunting video I see from the UK, Australia, or New Zealand they have a suppressor. They are not controlled in other countries so you can just buy them over the counter like any other accessory, just like it should be here!
     
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    Yeah. The irony of it all.
     
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    Check out the Stevens Favorite, from the re-run of about 2002. Rolling (or falling i dont remember) block action with octagon barrel. Its a tiny little thing.

    If i was out with a 22 hunting in my youth, i carried the stevens 22/410 with the Hyper Velocity 1750 FPS Aguila Super Maximum rounds. And a few quick-shoks. Always did the trick. I also used to snipe squirrels off the birdfeeders with a 17 HMR from my bedroom window. Damage at 50 feet was minimal but they always fell. That tiny little pill just doesnt have the mass to do much damage.
     
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    Chiappa makes a scaled-down Sharps Rifle, the "Little Sharps" in .22 Hornet. That would be my choice, and the reviews I've seen on it have been positive. However, at today's rifle prices it's going to be a Little Badger. You know, the NEF is turning out well, but for a "true" back country survival rifle it is just a hair overweight.

    My "job" when I was seven-eight-nine was to spend the summers on my mother's family's/uncle and aunt's farms in Iowa, and shoot black birds and gophers with my single shot Winchester .22LR. And barn pigeons too. As if that wasn't enough, cousin Robert and I would get dropped off at the dump, and shoot rats.
     
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    You can shoot grouse with rifle where you are?
     
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    Yes. Washington state. .22 rifle or pistol is legal. I forget right off hand if the regs state: "rimfire" or not. I think they might. In which case using my .22 Hornet would not be legal, but that wouldn't matter if I was lost and injured and starving in the wilderness. Game departments usually make an exception in that case. I know they do in Idaho for sure.
     
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    In my younger days I carried a 22 pistol for that purpose. Is it illegal in Mn, I never checked.
     
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    I often carry my AirLite .22, but in case of cold shaky hypothremic starving hands I'm thinking a rifle might work a little better. The AirLite has got three grouse so far, but under relaxed, warm and well fed conditions. :)

    My .44 mag with shot loads, and my New Model Remington Army of Navy caliber have taken quite a few. The SBH holds the record, so far.
     
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    I just picked one of those up in 22 mag in December. Great little gun and weights about 3 or 4 lbs
     
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    I lied. Apparently you can take grouse with a .22
     
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    What a stupid Idea that is ! Winchester just made another run of the Winchester WRF which is basically the same thing and fires in any .22 MRF. The .22WRF is a great small game round and I have a Win Model 90 and a Colt Target Police Positive model for it in use for 40 years for stuff under 40 pounds or so. There is some use of the new .22WRF in the NAA Mini revolvers I have heard.
     
  25. chicharrones

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    Cool. So, a .22 magnum shooter can wait for a run of .22 MRF or a run of this subsonic .22 WMR to become available. Sounds like waiting on the IPA beer ship to show up in colonial India.



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